Senate vote public lands sale

[Rotnguns]

GOP scraps plan to sell more than 3,200 square miles of federal lands from bill

A plan to sell more than 3,200 square miles of federal lands has been ruled out of Republicans' big tax and spending cut bill.

komonews.com

Unfortunately, Lee hasn't given up - he's coming back with a revised proposal:

Mike Lee removes U.S. Forests from public lands proposal in last-ditch proposal

Sen. Lee made the changes after receiving public feedback on the original language, although it’s not clear if it adheres to strict reconciliation rules.

www.deseret.com

 

[NRA4LIFE]

That guy has got to go.

 

[IdahoBeav]

 

[RockAndSage]

And this somehow justifies selling off more land in his mind? That's some pretty delusional whattaboutism right there.

 

[WCB]

And this somehow justifies selling off more land in his mind? That's some pretty delusional whattaboutism right there.

Doesn't justify it but it isn't entirely wrong either. And, I don't get people and dismissing anything that happened before and not allowing it to be brought up? Maybe the solar panel thing flew under the radar...but now it shouldn't.

 

[IdahoBeav]

And this somehow justifies selling off more land in his mind? That's some pretty delusional whattaboutism right there.

It's just information. Take it how you will. Politics aren't black and white and more than one issue exists. A ton of self-identifying conservatives have jumped in bed with the far left on this issue and have assumed their tactics in this fight.

 

[RockAndSage]

It's just information. Take it how you will. Politics aren't black and white and more than one issue exists. A ton of self-identifying conservatives have jumped in bed with the far left on this issue and have assumed their tactics in this fight.

Where does Hauser stand on the bill, then? Maybe I was just confused, but the post very much sounded like he was defending Lee, not saying, "Wish you all were louder, earlier on this".

 

[IdahoBeav]

Where does Hauser stand on the bill, then? Maybe I was just confused, but the post very much sounded like he was defending Lee, not saying, "Wish you all were louder, earlier on this".

I don't care what his position is or what his intention is. The message he wrote in that one tweet is valid.

 

[Poser]

I don't care what his position is or what his intention is. The message he wrote in that one tweet is valid.

Since they can be removed, solar panels aren't absolute. Selling off the land is absolute.
Present absolute legislation, expect absolute opposition.

 

[IdahoBeav]

Since they can be removed, solar panels aren't absolute. Selling off the land is absolute.
Present absolute legislation, expect absolute opposition.

Those solar panels will never be removed, even after they are no longer in service.

The reason why the public lands lobby and social media circle was silent on the solar panels and other green energy use is because it was pushed by the other side of the aisle.

 

[RockAndSage]

I don't care what his position is or what his intention is. The message he wrote in that one tweet is valid.

You understand that Dan Hauser was/is Senator Lee's chief political strategist, right?

Not trying to be disagreeable on this, or combative over the issues - but this matters. That tweet is a defense of Lee.

 

[IdahoBeav]

You understand that Dan Hauser was/is Senator Lee's chief political strategist, right?

Not trying to be disagreeable on this, or combative over the issues - but this matters. That tweet is a defense of Lee.

It doesn't change the fact that the message is valid.

 

[Poser]

You understand that Dan Hauser was/is Senator Lee's chief political strategist, right?

Not trying to be disagreeable on this, or combative over the issues - but this matters. That tweet is a defense of Lee.

There is a camp of hunters that has emerged in all of this who, much like the predominate sentiment of the ORV community, are entirely uncomfortable with criticizing Republican legislation so, even though they don't necessarily want to see public land sold off, they are more comfortable criticizing the opposition to Republican legislation than they are opposing it even if it is against their own self and user group interest.
That's a weird row to hoe, but they seemed determined to hoe it nonetheless.

 

[Mike 338]

What's with Utah? This has to be one of the stupidest proposals imaginable. It's inserted in a Bill that will increase the national debt. Just like Senator Harry Reid and Son did down there in Nevada, these land sales will go to the Chinese or some other foreign entity and find the proceeds in the pockets of Congressman and their Developer friends, But not before he ran out the Ranchers and got their land. Your Social Security contributions you worked your guts out for your entire life... it's gone with nothing to show for it except multi million dollar net worth for all these Congressmen. Let's just take away public lands instead of passing a Balanced Budget. We've got the best Congress money can buy.

 

[ODB]

Perhaps if Lee published a map of the specific plots of land he is referring to instead of a set of conditions we are left to interpret he may find some sympathy.

There are clearly acres of land he has targeted and then written the bill to cover. Wonder why he won’t disclose the coordinates.

 

[RockAndSage]

It doesn't change the fact that the message is valid.

The message is helping defend Lee and it is being said by Lee's top political strategist because it helps Lee's position.

How it's said and who is saying it are not an accident.

No matter how valid the point is, Hauser and Lee are not trying to help anyone but themselves with that post.

 

[IdahoBeav]

There is a camp of hunters that has emerged in all of this who, much like the predominate sentiment of the ORV community, are entirely uncomfortable with criticizing Republican legislation so, even though they don't necessarily want to see public land sold off, they are more comfortable criticizing the opposition to Republican legislation than they are opposing it even if it is against their own self and user group interest.
That's a weird row to hoe, but they seemed determined to hoe it nonetheless.

There is also a minority group of hunters that grin from ear to ear seeing other hunters (generally a conservative group) jump in bed with left wing politics in order to, they believe, preserve public lands.

The vast majority of the criticism of Lee and this bill has involved screaming and absolute shutdown of any type of discussion or compromise. It's the same vibe as BLM, Antifa, No Kings, etc. it just hasn't involved violence, even though violence has been suggested by one of the leaders of the public lands movement.

 

[Poser]

The message is helping defend Lee and it is being said by Lee's top political strategist because it helps Lee's position.

How it's said and who is saying it are not an accident.

No matter how valid the point is, Hauser and Lee are not trying to help anyone but themselves with that post.

Yeah, its a weird point to make: "because you didn't oppose solar panels, you should stop opposing selling off public lands."

 

[average]

There is also a minority group of hunters that grin from ear to ear seeing other hunters (generally a conservative group) jump in bed with left wing politics in order to, they believe, preserve public lands.

The vast majority of the criticism of Lee and this bill has involved screaming and absolute shutdown of any type of discussion or compromise. It's the same vibe as BLM, Antifa, No Kings, etc. it just hasn't involved violence, even though violence has been suggested by one of the leaders of the public lands movement.

All buzzwords and koolaid talk.

 

[Poser]

There is also a minority group of hunters that grin from ear to ear seeing other hunters (generally a conservative group) jump in bed with left wing politics in order to, they believe, preserve public lands.

And, how exactly, are they not preserving public lands if their voices result in blocking the sale?
If they accomplish this ends, they don't just "believe" they preserved public lands, they actually preserved public lands.