Senate vote public lands sale

[mdp22]

Below is an excerpt of the land sale requirements in the SENR bill. I looked at the arcgis map and zoomed in on New Mexico, most of the land does not meet the requirements listed but I wonder how states or local governments will come up with work arounds.

(A) are nominated by States or units of local governments;

(B) are adjacent to existing developed areas;

(C) have access to existing infrastructure;

(D) are suitable for residential housing;

(E) reduce checkerboard land patterns; or

(F) are isolated tracts that are inefficient to manage.

 

[Idaboy]

We do need keep perspective on what 3M acres looks like. There's 1.5M in the colville NF alone. There's 63M in Nevada. 32M acres in Idaho, 640M in the country......etc.

3M sounds huge, but with fringe communities, landlocked pieces....etc, this may not be nearly as bad as it sounds. It amounts to .47% of federal lands.

10% of Idaho fed land then? No thanks, and then once they do this once, you do t think they will do again? This is terrible....they have so many options (raise lease rates etc), cut spending....this is a one and done transaction and then it's forever private, no thanks

 

[Idaboy]

Below is an excerpt of the land sale requirements in the SENR bill. I looked at the arcgis map and zoomed in on New Mexico, most of the land does not meet the requirements listed but I wonder how states or local governments will come up with work arounds.

(A) are nominated by States or units of local governments;

(B) are adjacent to existing developed areas;

(C) have access to existing infrastructure;

(D) are suitable for residential housing;

(E) reduce checkerboard land patterns; or

(F) are isolated tracts that are inefficient to manage.

doesn't sound like these are exclusive....point F "or isolated and inefficient' that basically describes all of the mtn west that is not already developed

 

[mavinwa2]

Affects northern California too. 16M+ acres being considered, reviewed north of Sacramento, another 3-5M near Lake Tahoe. Both forested areas, Tahoe sale would eliminate access for a great archery deer tag.

 

[Gila]

This. Republican Senate/House leadership is focused on delivering the tax cuts, because that's what the big donors paid for. Selling public land as the "offset" is their rationale. Hence, they aren't going to bend over backwards to avoid public land sales because protecting the land isn't their motivation; it's providing cover for the permanent tax cuts.

I think Newberg's report saying that Zinke might work to limit the initial damage to just Utah is a best case scenario.

i agree with everything there except the last sentence.

doesn't sound like these are exclusive....point F "or isolated and inefficient' that basically describes all of the mtn west that is not already developed

F) sort of blows the entire dang thing up doesn’t it? What could be defined as development? It isn’t about housing in New Mexico….

 

[jonesn3]

Heard about this on here about the same time as I listened to Randy Newbergs podcast while at the gym. Then started seeing all the IG posts about it. Crazy. I wrote my two sentators, even sent my rep the same email/concern for good measure. Should probably write and call those senators on the Committee that proposed this…

 

[Andrew12gauge]

Heard about this on here about the same time as I listened to Randy Newbergs podcast while at the gym. Then started seeing all the IG posts about it. Crazy. I wrote my two sentators, even sent my rep the same email/concern for good measure. Should probably write and call those senators on the Committee that proposed this…

Mike Lee knows you don’t want him to sell off your public lands, he doesn’t care.


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[LostArra]

Mike Lee knows you don’t want him to sell off your public lands, he doesn’t care.


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How much public land is in Minnesota?

 

[Rotnguns]

Below is an excerpt of the land sale requirements in the SENR bill. I looked at the arcgis map and zoomed in on New Mexico, most of the land does not meet the requirements listed but I wonder how states or local governments will come up with work arounds.

(A) are nominated by States or units of local governments;

(B) are adjacent to existing developed areas;

(C) have access to existing infrastructure;

(D) are suitable for residential housing;

(E) reduce checkerboard land patterns; or

(F) are isolated tracts that are inefficient to manage.

To clarify, part (A) is just one of two ways that fed land can be disposed of under the proposed bill. It's also stated that the Secretaries of the Interior (BLM) and Agriculture (NF) can dispose of the lands directly.

 

[Bearded Bowhunter]

I am regretting voting for Marshall, seems to get more Dbag’ie every year.

Interesting this is the response you got. I got a much less canned (seemed like it anyway) response about him being an outdoorsman and conservationist as well and caring about public land access. I was actually less impressed with the vague response I got from Moran.

 

[Brado16]

Whom is buying these public lands? Black Rock, Hedge funds, or are they selling to developers or even private individuals? Is there any published information showing this or MLS listings of these parcels?

 

[NDGuy]

Whom is buying these public lands? Black Rock, Hedge funds, or are they selling to developers or even private individuals? Is there any published information showing this or MLS listings of these parcels?

It'll be China

 

[Poser]

Whom is buying these public lands? Black Rock, Hedge funds, or are they selling to developers or even private individuals? Is there any published information showing this or MLS listings of these parcels?

There's no listings because its not for sale yet. The bill gives local and state governments the first right of refusal for any property on the market. After that, it goes to market. Some cities/counties may require a certain percentage of low income housing be included in new development. My town requires that, but keep in mind, "low income" housing qualifications here are between $90,000 and $130,000 household incomes. That effectively means, you build 10 condos, one of them is deed restricted and available for ~$400,000 to a qualifying party (on a lottery draw) vs. $995,000 or whatever.

 

[Poser]

It'll be China

Apparently, China has been selling off their real estate in the US. A predominate theory there is that, in anticipation of war with the US over Taiwan, they are looking to alleviate themselves from the fallout of any potential sanctions including asset seizure.

 

[chanson_roland]

Apparently, China has been selling off their real estate in the US. A predominate theory there is that, in anticipation of war with the US over Taiwan, they are looking to alleviate themselves from the fallout of any potential sanctions including asset seizure

Petrostates are going to be net buyers. Russia, Gulf Countries in particular. It's a way to get capital out of the country for the Oligarchs afraid of Putin, as well as a way to translate a highly volatile commodity (oil) into a more conservative one for the Gulf countries.

 

[NDGuy]

Apparently, China has been selling off their real estate in the US. A predominate theory there is that, in anticipation of war with the US over Taiwan, they are looking to alleviate themselves from the fallout of any potential sanctions including asset seizure.

That makes sense I would just think they'd jump at the chance to buy up national park lands and turn them into Walmart parking lots.

 

[Winnie]

How much public land is in Minnesota?

MN has a lot of pubic land both state and federal. With our sales tax money, we add more on the state level every year.

 

[Gila]

How much public land is in Minnesota?

The public lands in Minnesota are amazing. Pristine pine forests with hundreds of lakes, ponds and streams. A couple of weeks ago we were successful with keeping copper mines out of the Boundry Waters Canoe Wilderness Area. My uncle used to own a fishing resort up there. When I was a kid, my Grandpa would take me up there for summer break to fish. My cousins and I would carry a canoe through the forest and fish the “ponds” for Small Mouthed Bass. The water was so clean you could watch the fish come up and strike your lure. One of my prints about the area:

 

[Poser]

I will say, that as of late Tuesday and early Wednesday morning, the word is out on this to the general public. Social media feeds for various forms of Western recreation such as fly fishing, mtn biking, backpacking, thru hiking, peak bagging, paragliding, dirt biking, backcountry skiing in addition to hunting are nothing but posts and activism about this. Local paper around here picked up the story: https://www.durangoherald.com/articles/public-lands-in-southwest-colorado-could-be-up-for-sale/
I even saw a post about it on NextDoor. I will say, the larger ORV community in general are still obvious holdouts on getting involved on this -either dismissive, indifferent or vindictive about it. Of course, hunters have plenty of all 3 of those categories as well.

Hopefully, the voice of opposition here is loud and clear.

 

[Loo.wii]

Whom is buying these public lands? Black Rock, Hedge funds, or are they selling to developers or even private individuals? Is there any published information showing this or MLS listings of these parcels?

Maybe some tech bros making 300k a year get the chance to buy a few acres in rural Montana and further price out the people who are “from” there. And live out their Meateater fantasies