Second guessing wife's rifle purchase.

[ScreamingPotato]

I say stick with the CM since that’s what you already have. It will give more velocity out further if the opportunity presents itself and she feels comfortable taking it. I say that based on the plan to take it on an elk hunt and it being kinda her do all rifle. Otherwise either cartridge will do whatever you want inside 300 yards for most game.

That was my thinking that got me to the CM to begin with. With enough practice I'd like for her to increase her range to 400 in certain situations. But if the extra recoil hurts her overall progress she'd be better of with the ARC.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Good luck fitting 73ms, I haven’t been able to in gen 1 and definitely cans in gen2 atleast in my two. I fit 77tmk in gen 1 but still a bit short for where I need to be to get accuracy. 75eldm is a long long bullet I can’t fit into either. Kinda bummed but have been single shooting and man they are nice

Man that is close! I don't think they're touching but they're almost too close to tell. Rounds cycled fine in the action, little dent in one of the brass though.

 

[MoeFaux]

Yes, you're overthinking it.

She's obviously shot the 308 well for some time, so dropping down to the creedmoor will be a huge boost in comfort and confidence. The 6CM has 41% less free recoil energy on average*. That's HUGE.

The ONLY reason that I see to switch to the ARC is if you really prefer the shorter barrel. If this is just a question of caliber/recoil - put her behind the Ruger you already have and watch her smile when she's still shooting MOA after 100 shots in one sitting.

*18.27 ft-lbs v 10.89 ft-lbs per backfire.tv/recoil/

 

[David Walter]

22 trainer is a great idea. A 22 will teach you about wind and about position, etc.

That’s the money.

I find that a 22 follows the 1/3 rule. If you want to shoot 300 yards with your center fire, practice a lot at 100 with your 22. Sitting, prone, kneeling, with sticks, bipod, etc. It’ll help her to sort out fundamentals.

At least it seems that way to me. Holds true for a 308-ish.

 

[mtnbound]

Looking for some spitballing, seems I'm never satisfied no matter what I decide and leads me to just keep buying ****.

Wife has killed a bunch of stuff with her pink death stick, deer elk and a nilgai. It's just a cheap TC Compass 308 in a pink Boyd's stock sized appropriately for her. This year she didn't shoot well on a buck and I'm wanting to reduce the recoil for her and put a thousand rounds down range before her elk hunt in October (she should get a WY general tag). She shoots it great on the bench at 300 yards but in field positions not so much and she wears out on the bench around 30 rounds or so, so I know it's kicking her. She loves that rifle because of the stock though.

I purchased a OC Polonium K for her and it's ready to go.

I went ahead and bought her a Ruger Gen2 standard 20" 6mm CM because of the easy stock adjustments and price points. I'm planning to move her Huron from the 308 because she's used to it.

Now I'm kicking myself because I'm really attracted to the Gen2 Ranch 16" in 6 ARC without too much penalty.

I also purchased an identical Ruger Gen2 20" in 223 to practice with even cheaper ammo and have a Huron incoming for that one. I'd plan to use this one myself for deer and she can practice with it.

The 6mm CM is brand new still in box so I should be able to recoup funds and buy the Ranch in 6 ARC.

This whole thing started due to wanting to minimize recoil and blast so she can focus better. Looking for discussion whether I'm overthinking things or if there would be a real noticable benefit to the 6 ARC with both being suppressed. I can upgrade the Polonium K to a Nomad XC if need be as well, doubtful we'd be shooting my rifle and her's on the same trips.

At the ranges you mention I would stay with the ARC. I love the 6CM but I also like having common calibers between me and the wife.


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[KenLee]

Looking for some spitballing, seems I'm never satisfied no matter what I decide and leads me to just keep buying ****.

Wife has killed a bunch of stuff with her pink death stick, deer elk and a nilgai. It's just a cheap TC Compass 308 in a pink Boyd's stock sized appropriately for her. This year she didn't shoot well on a buck and I'm wanting to reduce the recoil for her and put a thousand rounds down range before her elk hunt in October (she should get a WY general tag). She shoots it great on the bench at 300 yards but in field positions not so much and she wears out on the bench around 30 rounds or so, so I know it's kicking her. She loves that rifle because of the stock though.

I purchased a OC Polonium K for her and it's ready to go.

I went ahead and bought her a Ruger Gen2 standard 20" 6mm CM because of the easy stock adjustments and price points. I'm planning to move her Huron from the 308 because she's used to it.

Now I'm kicking myself because I'm really attracted to the Gen2 Ranch 16" in 6 ARC without too much penalty.

I also purchased an identical Ruger Gen2 20" in 223 to practice with even cheaper ammo and have a Huron incoming for that one. I'd plan to use this one myself for deer and she can practice with it.

The 6mm CM is brand new still in box so I should be able to recoup funds and buy the Ranch in 6 ARC.

This whole thing started due to wanting to minimize recoil and blast so she can focus better. Looking for discussion whether I'm overthinking things or if there would be a real noticable benefit to the 6 ARC with both being suppressed. I can upgrade the Polonium K to a Nomad XC if need be as well, doubtful we'd be shooting my rifle and her's on the same trips.

If she loves the 308, I would have cut her range sessions to 20 rounds and stayed with it. I don't see the benefit in 40 rounds per session vs 20.
If anything bad happens with the new rifle, it will be your fault til she leaves this earth, not just til you die.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

If she loves the 308, I would have cut her range sessions to 20 rounds and stayed with it. I don't see the benefit in 40 rounds per session vs 20.

Mainly to practice better/more in field positions. She's great on the bench, but her buck this year she ended up shooting 3 times to knock him down and she was pretty frustrated. There's a good chance she's got a good flinch going on.

 

[AlabamaMountainMan]

Looking for some spitballing, seems I'm never satisfied no matter what I decide and leads me to just keep buying ****.

Wife has killed a bunch of stuff with her pink death stick, deer elk and a nilgai. It's just a cheap TC Compass 308 in a pink Boyd's stock sized appropriately for her. This year she didn't shoot well on a buck and I'm wanting to reduce the recoil for her and put a thousand rounds down range before her elk hunt in October (she should get a WY general tag). She shoots it great on the bench at 300 yards but in field positions not so much and she wears out on the bench around 30 rounds or so, so I know it's kicking her. She loves that rifle because of the stock though.

I purchased a OC Polonium K for her and it's ready to go.

I went ahead and bought her a Ruger Gen2 standard 20" 6mm CM because of the easy stock adjustments and price points. I'm planning to move her Huron from the 308 because she's used to it.

Now I'm kicking myself because I'm really attracted to the Gen2 Ranch 16" in 6 ARC without too much penalty.

I also purchased an identical Ruger Gen2 20" in 223 to practice with even cheaper ammo and have a Huron incoming for that one. I'd plan to use this one myself for deer and she can practice with it.

The 6mm CM is brand new still in box so I should be able to recoup funds and buy the Ranch in 6 ARC.

This whole thing started due to wanting to minimize recoil and blast so she can focus better. Looking for discussion whether I'm overthinking things or if there would be a real noticable benefit to the 6 ARC with both being suppressed. I can upgrade the Polonium K to a Nomad XC if need be as well, doubtful we'd be shooting my rifle and her's on the same trips.

I actually have another thread where the 6mm ARC and 6mm Creed were discussed a lot. I am almost positive I am going with the ARC due to the ammo cost difference and the lower recoil. With that said, I think you have already dropped the felt recoil a ton by dropping to the 6mm Creed so it may be enough for her. With the suppressor I bet it will be really gentle. Might as well let her shoot it and see if she likes it. Shooting a few boxes is not going to change your re-sell price, but it may save you from having to sell. One thing I learned a while back about buying for the spouse is often times the spouse is far less picky than you are. They just appreciate that you care.

 

[Stache Attack]

Man that is close! I don't think they're touching but they're almost too close to tell. Rounds cycled fine in the action, little dent in one of the brass though.

That’s the 73 or 75?

 

[ScreamingPotato]

That’s the 73 or 75?

73's.

 

[BLJ]

Does she have a 22LR to practice with?
I have a CZ 457 that I shoot in matches and it has helped me tremendously with my centerfire field shooting.
Not identical to my Tikka/RA centerfires that I hunt with, but I think the ergos and manipulations are lose enough to be a big benefit.

 

[Ajsomp]

If you were looking for a gun to be one and done - practice and hunting - 6arc is it. You can get 108 eldm right around $1/round and barrel life is much longer than a 6 creed. If you have the 223 to practice then it really doesn’t matter.

But if you get her the right stock (the factory one leaves much to be desired) and get her set up with a 6arc, she can practice a ton with low recoil and not have to switch rifles. Generally, so long as the action/stock are the same between trainer and main rifle, choice of scope etc doesn’t matter.

But it’s your money.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Does she have a 22LR to practice with?
I have a CZ 457 that I shoot in matches and it has helped me tremendously with my centerfire field shooting.
Not identical to my Tikka/RA centerfires that I hunt with, but I think the ergos and manipulations are lose enough to be a big benefit.

We have several 10/22's but we just don't seem to enjoy shooting paper and they never get used. One of them is in a Magpul stock and scoped which would be good cheap practice I think.

If you were looking for a gun to be one and done - practice and hunting - 6arc is it. You can get 108 eldm right around $1/round and barrel life is much longer than a 6 creed. If you have the 223 to practice then it really doesn’t matter.

But if you get her the right stock (the factory one leaves much to be desired) and get her set up with a 6arc, she can practice a ton with low recoil and not have to switch rifles. Generally, so long as the action/stock are the same between trainer and main rifle, choice of scope etc doesn’t matter.

But it’s your money.

Yeah I started thinking along these lines after purchasing the 6CM, had I not already bought it I'd definitely go this route I think. I just jumped the gun when the in-stock alert hit and hadn't thought things through well enough so now I'm stuck in between.

 

[Stache Attack]

73's.

Squeaks by. I’ll have to grab some or make a trade for someone wanting 75s

 

[NorCal 707]

I got my daughter a 7mm-08 and had her shoot 120 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips for the first 4 or 5 years of her hunting career. At 12 years old and 85 lbs she could shoot 20-30 times off the bench and was a way better shot than her older brother. She never missed a big game animal. Our self imposed limit was 400 yds. We went elk hunting with that rifle when she was 17. Full case of H4350 under a 140 grain Accubond. She killed both her first mule deer and elk. The elk was 338 yds. One shot off a backpack over sage brush. She shoots a 270 wsm now with 165 grain ABLR and she can still shoot better than her brother. I think your wife would do great with the Creed. I've found the better the hearing protection the better everyone shoots off the bench. Ear plugs then ear muffs. The less the muzzle blast the longer the shooting sessions. It seems the sound and blast causes more people to flinch than the recoil so whether a 6 arc or 308 wear good hearing protection. Hope she gets an elk!! Good luck!

 

[MuleyFever]

You are overthinking it. The 6CM will be easy for her to shoot.

 

[KenLee]

Mainly to practice better/more in field positions. She's great on the bench, but her buck this year she ended up shooting 3 times to knock him down and she was pretty frustrated. There's a good chance she's got a good flinch going on.

If I had to shoot 50x at the range on a regular basis, I might have a flinch too

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

Fixed it. I tried the whole paragraph using dictation. Voice recognition isn’t that great, or I really speak poorly, or both.

You for sure ain’t alone. Mine is even worse. Lol

 

[David Walter]

What he says about the earn pro.

I’ve found when being the Range Safety Officer about 1/2 of the problem for new shooters is the loud bang. I always wear double ear pro, and drive the volume up on the noise canceling muffs so it seems like a normal conversation. When someone shoots, the muffs block the sound and the earplugs add protection to make it pretty quiet.

I've found the better the hearing protection the better everyone shoots off the bench. Ear plugs then ear muffs. The less the muzzle blast the longer the shooting sessions. It seems the sound and blast causes more people to flinch than the recoil so whether a 6 arc or 308 wear good hearing protection. Hope she gets an elk!! Good luck!