Ruger American .270 to ??? conversion for daughter

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I have an 8 year old daughter who is showing interest in hunting and is pretty good with a .22 LR at this point so my next step is to get her into a small caliber rifle....223, 243, or whatever the 6mm flavor of the day is.

I have a Gen 1 Ruger American .270 that I never shoot and I'm wondering what my options are with it. Is there any sort of barrel swap I could do and chop the stock down to make it fit her? Would I be better off selling it and starting from scratch? I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks.
 
I’d rebarrel to 243win due to ammo more options on the shelves. I think it would work but the 270 is a long action ruger if be worried about feeding.

I’d get her behind a 223 first. Unless you are going to suppress the ruger. My wife’s 16.25” 243 with a can has almost no recoil.

I recently handled the new Glenfeild Model A in 243 and as I expected it’s a Ruger American gen1 that’s threaded and textured stock. I prefer the gen1 over the gen2. This model A was priced at $450. Which is cheaper than a new barrel.
 
I have an 8 year old daughter who is showing interest in hunting and is pretty good with a .22 LR at this point so my next step is to get her into a small caliber rifle....223, 243, or whatever the 6mm flavor of the day is.

I have a Gen 1 Ruger American .270 that I never shoot and I'm wondering what my options are with it. Is there any sort of barrel swap I could do and chop the stock down to make it fit her? Would I be better off selling it and starting from scratch? I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks.
Rebearreling a Ruger American (unless you've done a bunch of work to it) is a losing proposition since the cost of new barrel (all in ready to shoot again) is equal to or greater than the cost of a new Ruger American Gen 2. I would suggest you look at the 16" or 20" barreled 22 ARC or 6mm ARC and the 20" barreled 22 Creedmoor or 6mm Creedmoor. Both of the ARC offerings are easy on the shoulder and take game easily. If you suppress the rifle, I'd go with the 16" barrel for a better balance point.

Jay
 
Sell and get a Gen 2. The Gen 2 already has interchangeable stock pieces to adjust LOP and a threaded barrel.
We have one Gen 2 in Predator model with 22" barrel in 6.5CM. I'm trying to get another in the Ranch model with a 16" barrel.
You'll get a recommendation for every caliber available. I went 6.5cm due to the range of bullet weights and availability of off-the-shelf ammo. We practice with 95-grain varmit and bulk 125-grain Winchester, and hunt with the 143-grain ELDX. The 95grn doesn't kick at all suppressed.

What are you hunting?
 
I have an 8 year old daughter who is showing interest in hunting and is pretty good with a .22 LR at this point so my next step is to get her into a small caliber rifle....223, 243, or whatever the 6mm flavor of the day is.

I have a Gen 1 Ruger American .270 that I never shoot and I'm wondering what my options are with it. Is there any sort of barrel swap I could do and chop the stock down to make it fit her? Would I be better off selling it and starting from scratch? I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks.
I have a gen 1 270 that I've thought about swapping the barrel on a lot. I still might but the cost of a new barrel compared to a new gun isn't worth it.

Sell the gun, take the money from that and get a scope, then take the money for a new barrel and get her a gun. 223, 6 arc, and 6mm creed/243 win are the only options I even consider for new shooters anymore. 223 is the best followed by 6 arc when you actually compare smaller shooters in field conditions.
 
Sell and get a Gen 2. The Gen 2 already has interchangeable stock pieces to adjust LOP and a threaded barrel.
We have one Gen 2 in Predator model with 22" barrel in 6.5CM. I'm trying to get another in the Ranch model with a 16" barrel.
You'll get a recommendation for every caliber available. I went 6.5cm due to the range of bullet weights and availability of off-the-shelf ammo. We practice with 95-grain varmit and bulk 125-grain Winchester, and hunt with the 143-grain ELDX. The 95grn doesn't kick at all suppressed.

What are you hunting?
We'll be hunting mule deer.
 
My daughter was 10 when she started shooting my .270. You might need to do anything to it.
 
I have an 8 year old daughter who is showing interest in hunting and is pretty good with a .22 LR at this point so my next step is to get her into a small caliber rifle....223, 243, or whatever the 6mm flavor of the day is.

I have a Gen 1 Ruger American .270 that I never shoot and I'm wondering what my options are with it. Is there any sort of barrel swap I could do and chop the stock down to make it fit her? Would I be better off selling it and starting from scratch? I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks.
You are asking a bunch of gun nuts on how to proceed. And, predictably the replies are “sell it and buy more guns”. And that’s fine. Guns are good. But the easiest is just to buy reduced recoil rounds for an awhile to see if she even likes it.
 
You are asking a bunch of gun nuts on how to proceed. And, predictably the replies are “sell it and buy more guns”. And that’s fine. Guns are good. But the easiest is just to buy reduced recoil rounds for an awhile to see if she even likes it.
I love more guns just as much as the next guy so I'm perfectly fine with those responses too lol!
 
You are asking a bunch of gun nuts on how to proceed. And, predictably the replies are “sell it and buy more guns”. And that’s fine. Guns are good. But the easiest is just to buy reduced recoil rounds for an awhile to see if she even likes it.
That is a good option, I did that for a while. Hornady quit making the lite recoil, but Barnes has them now. they even make them for 300wm.
 
I feel like there's a pretty good thread on this. Yep.

 
I’d probably get her a lighter recoiling rifle, but if you handload you can get the 270 way down by loading up 95gr bullets and a light charge. My boy is 7 and I’m thinking a 223 or more likely a 22arc as a good option.
 
Nearly endless ways to go about this.

The only wrong answer is one where she develops a flinch.

I am a big believer in the old adage "the best rifle for you to shoot is the rifle you shoot best" and we tend to shoot lower recoiling rifles better.

Clearly thats where your mind is as well.

I think the easy button is to sell/trade the 270 toward a G2, Axis 2(not Axis II), or T3x CTR in 6.5cm, 6CM, 6ARC, or 243. There may be other good options as well, but those 3 come to mind first.

All available with better ergos than a traditional stock, the T3x is quite a bit more money.
 
THE CARTRIDGE

The "flavor of the day" is for the grown-ups in the room to care about where cartridges are concerned. If it is a lawful method of hooved-game take where you plan to take your daughter hunting, the obvious cartridge choice for a little kid, to me, at least, is the .223 Remington / 5.56 NATO.

I filled 22 consecutive California A-zone tags with the .223 Remington fired out of a T/C Contender Carbine.

I also filled 21 mule deer tags, 3 pronghorn tags, 2 caribou tags, 1 bull elk tag, and piled up more feral pigs than I can count with the .250-3000 Savage.

I never had to shoot more than once per animal with either of them.

Let's dare to compare........

5.56 NATO 77grain TMK (Distance / Velocity / Energy) 20" PSA Freedom Classic AR-15 A4

M / 2854 / 1393
100 / 2636 / 1188
200 / 2428 / 1008
300 / 2229 / 850


.250 Savage 100 gr. Nosler Partition, SAAMI pressure. 20" Ruger M77RL Ultralight

M / 2620 / 1524
100 / 2352 / 1229
200 / 2100 / 980
300 / 1865 / 772

The "paper ballistics" don't tell the whole story. The 5.56 NATO load creates higher-volume wound channels from 150 yards out. Any difference twixt the twain isn't enough for an animal hit with either to live on. However, the 5.56 NATO is easier to hit with, having a flatter trajectory, shorter flight time to target, and less wind-drift.

THE RIFLE

If you're going to have a little kid shooting 5.56 NATO, the obvious choice of rifle is an AR-15 type, in the formerly popular "optics ready carbine" configuration.

If I had an adult shooter on a 200 yard range and let them shoot some discount bargain bin bolt action in .223 Remington in a course of fire duplicating a CMP Games Modern Military match, then let them shoot the same course of fire with my AR-15 A4, they'll shoot a higher score with the AR-15, every single time. If I run the same exercise with an 8 year old kid, and make the rifle my daughter's mildly modified 2009 DPMS Oracle "optics ready carbine," the kid will shoot a higher score with the AR-15, every single time. After shooting both, if you ask a kid with rifle they'd rather have, they'll pick my daughter's DPMS Oracle over a bargain-bin bolt action, every time.

Many adults can't or don't run a bolt-action rifle correctly; the don't "stay in the gun and on the sights" when they run the action. The gun community gives out advice as if they expect an 8 year old kid to do what many adults can't.

In bolt action rifles weighing 6 pounds, the felt recoil impulse between the .250 Savage and the .223 Remington is more or less the same. However, you can't run a .250 Savage in a gas-operated, semi-auto action while you quite obviously can with a .223 Remington / 5.56 NATO, and that kind of action mitigates what little recoil there is even further.

That's one advantage. Another is that your kid can stay on target while the action cycles itself and can't short-stroke the action ln the excitement of the moment like they can with a bolt action.

Discount bargain-bin bolt actions get a lot of fanboi hype on sites like this one. Owning a firearm might be potentially cheap if you're buying from the bargain bin, but actually using one never has been, is not, and never will be. I'm a pretty casual user in my old age, but even so, the cost of my shooting hobby isn't in the hardware. It is in the metal I send downrange through it and all of the costs associated with doing that.

If I wanted a Winchester Model 70 Super Grade, I wouldn't by a new Gen 2 RAR instead. I could make up the difference in cost by staying the hell out of Utah's Unit 28 during the next deer season, tanking one fewer trip to the Tonto National Forest for a quail hunt, and shooting two rounds of sporting clays a month for a couple of months instead of four.

The AR-15 world is a little different, in the sense that what you want and need in assembling a lightweight carbine for your little girl isn't what the tacti-cool crowd wants in their AR-15 carbine for "training" on stationary cardboard cutouts at 15 yards.

If I were shopping for my not so little girl now, I'd wait for Palmetto State Armory to have a "daily deal" on the Freedom Classic complete lower with carbine length buffer tube and M-4 butt. They'll run $199.99 or less. Take the Mil Spec trigger out and replace it with Midway USA's house-brand 2 stage National Match trigger for about $70.00. Ger a Freedom Classic 16" nitride barrel with carbine length gas system and bolt carrier group for $199.99. Get a Pro-Mag RM-5 or similar low-profile 5-shot mag for $12.00. Get an Ozark Armament A2 rear sight for $30.00 bucks. Swap the handguards for slimmer CAR-15 units. Add in a light nylon web carry strap, and your kid will have a better .30-30 than the real lever-action thing. The A2 sight (just the sight minus the rest of the carry handle) keeps the weight close to 6 pounds.

Before you shoot it, check the barrel nut torque. You want it around 46 ft/lb to start with. It will probably be over-torqued. Most barrel nuts on commercial AR 15's are.

Now, your daughter doesn't just have a hunting rifle, but something she can use in CMP Modern Military match shooting. and a rifle that is just plain fun to shoot and easy to maintain.

She needs to be able to pull the charging handle back fully rearward while keeping the muzzle in a safe direction, or course, but if she can do that, she'll have a lot more fun using an AR-15 than any bargain bin bolt action out there and I promise you she'll shoot it better than a bargain bolt gun away form the bench and rest, too.
Jeez, necro post and so much effort, but a swing and a miss 😂
 
Sell and get a Gen 2. The Gen 2 already has interchangeable stock pieces to adjust LOP and a threaded barrel.
We have one Gen 2 in Predator model with 22" barrel in 6.5CM. I'm trying to get another in the Ranch model with a 16" barrel.
You'll get a recommendation for every caliber available. I went 6.5cm due to the range of bullet weights and availability of off-the-shelf ammo. We practice with 95-grain varmit and bulk 125-grain Winchester, and hunt with the 143-grain ELDX. The 95grn doesn't kick at all suppressed.

What are you hunting?

It makes no sense to rebarrel a Ruger American to another cartridge.

Your advice is dead on, except if he has a little budget to work with. I would get a Tikka t3x if the money is there.
 
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