Questions for Form and other "small caliber for big game" folks

[Formidilosus]

I’m actually worried that the little gun crowd is flinching a lot while bird hunting with anything above 410. 7/8 oz 20 gauge loads recoil as much as a 270, and 1 oz matches a 7 mag. I keep telling my bird hunting friends they must be flinching every time they mis.

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That would be neat- if shotgunners didn’t flinch. That the irony is lost on you to use shotgun recoil and flinching as an example that recoil doesn’t matter, would be sad if you did anything but troll.

I mean it’s not like there is a whole industry of backwards functioning triggers for shotgunners that cannot physically/mentally pull a trigger without having a seizure behind the gun or anything…. And it’s also not like 100% when a shotgunner gets a click instead of a bang on a bird or clay, that they don’t nearly fall on their face from anticipation….

And, it’s not like 410’s with certain ammo has become a monster for turkey, ducks, geese, etc.

 

[np307]

I feel like there is a new thread about to start: “Goose and Swan success stories with 22 birdshot”

A lot of us hardcore turkey guys have been shooting .410s for years. TSS is good stuff. You'd have to be a millionaire to shoot it for waterfowl though.

 

[huntnful]

That would be neat- if shotgunners didn’t flinch. That the irony is lost on you to use shotgun recoil and flinching as an example that recoil doesn’t matter, would be sad if you did anything but troll.

I mean it’s not like there is a whole industry of backwards functioning triggers for shotgunners that cannot physically/mentally pull a trigger without having a seizure behind the gun or anything…. And it’s also not like 100% when a shotgunner gets a click instead of a bang on a bird or clay, that they don’t nearly fall on their face from anticipation….

And, it’s not like 410’s with certain ammo has become a monster for turkey, ducks, geese, etc.

TSS is insane.

What is the backwards functioning trigger and the industry pushing it? I’ve been out of the competition shotgun game for a while, but I never saw one or heard of it before?

 

[Formidilosus]

TSS is insane.

What is the backwards functioning trigger and the industry pushing it? I’ve been out of the competition shotgun game for a while, but I never saw one or heard of it before?

Release triggers. Trap and some skeet shooters.

 

[TaperPin]

That would be neat- if shotgunners didn’t flinch. That the irony is lost on you to use shotgun recoil and flinching as an example that recoil doesn’t matter, would be sad if you did anything but troll.

I mean it’s not like there is a whole industry of backwards functioning triggers for shotgunners that cannot physically/mentally pull a trigger without having a seizure behind the gun or anything…. And it’s also not like 100% when a shotgunner gets a click instead of a bang on a bird or clay, that they don’t nearly fall on their face from anticipation….

And, it’s not like 410’s with certain ammo has become a monster for turkey, ducks, geese, etc.

I simply enjoy pointing out the obvious. Most guys shoot 1 oz target loads without even thinking of it - they aren’t afraid of it, and in fact find it pleasant to shoot. I don’t make that up - most guys, except for you, would agree.

Sorry if that contradicts your brand image that anything over a 223 is too much recoil that guys should be afraid of.

 

[Axlrod]

TSS is insane.

What is the backwards functioning trigger and the industry pushing it? I’ve been out of the competition shotgun game for a while, but I never saw one or heard of it before?

Release triggers- been around for years. You pull to set them and let go when you want to fire. A lot of trap houses been blasted because of them.

Back in the 90's I shot with a guy w/release that shot through his whites boot, while resting his barrel on his toes. Finished the shoot, then drove himself to the hospital. Was a WW2 vet and retired Highway patrolman. Tough old dude.

Another guy I shot with (reg pull trigger) told me he flinched every time, just did it consistently. He was one of the top shooters around. He also hunted exclusively with a 22-250 & 55 gr soft points. Killed a big bull, deer or 2, antelope & a bear every year for 30+ years.

 

[huntnful]

Release triggers- been around for years. You pull to set them and let go when you want to fire. A lot of trap houses been blasted because of them.

Back in the 90's I shot with a guy w/release that shot through his whites boot, while resting his barrel on his toes. Finished the shoot, then drove himself to the hospital. Was a WW2 vet and retired Highway patrolman. Tough old dude.

Another guy I shot with (reg pull trigger) told me he flinched every time, just did it consistently. He was one of the top shooters around. He also hunted exclusively with a 22-250 & 55 gr soft points. Killed a big bull, deer or 2, antelope & a bear every year for 30+ years.

Appreciate the info! I was curious what shotgun discipline it would be primarily used. I shot the national trap shoot 4 times, and was never aware of anyone that used one. Definitely not prevalent by any means or I figure it’d have at least been on my radar so I could talk shit on them haha. I also don’t see how that would help anyone with a flinch? Doesn’t even make sense. You’d just start flinching once your brain figured out the timing of the release, which it would do relatively fast.

 

[Bugger]

Appreciate the info! I was curious what shotgun discipline it would be primarily used. I shot the national trap shoot 4 times, and was never aware of anyone that used one. Definitely not prevalent by any means or I figure it’d have at least been on my radar so I could talk shit on them haha. I also don’t see how that would help anyone with a flinch? Doesn’t even make sense. You’d just start flinching once your brain figured out the timing of the release, which it would do relatively fast.

It’s been common for a long time in trap. Supposed to be more natural for the brain to release the shot while moving and leading the bird like releasing a thrown ball. Tried it a few times and wasn’t a fan. Really fun to watch people let down after a broken bird and shit their pants when the gun goes off at the hip!

 

[Axlrod]

Appreciate the info! I was curious what shotgun discipline it would be primarily used. I shot the national trap shoot 4 times, and was never aware of anyone that used one. Definitely not prevalent by any means or I figure it’d have at least been on my radar so I could talk shit on them haha. I also don’t see how that would help anyone with a flinch? Doesn’t even make sense. You’d just start flinching once your brain figured out the timing of the release, which it would do relatively fast.

Oh there are a lot of them out there. All the guys using them switch because of flinch. There is usually a bright orange sticker they put on the grip cap to identify them. They even use them in doubles, with release then pull or double release ( you have to "pull" to reset in between shots).
I just looked, and a release for a Perazzi is $1850 and you need a another one to shoot doubles.

I have tried other people's guns out of curiosity, but it is definitely not for me.

 

[huntnful]

It’s been common for a long time in trap. Supposed to be more natural for the brain to release the shot while moving and leading the bird like releasing a thrown ball. Tried it a few times and wasn’t a fan. Really fun to watch people let down after a broken bird and shit their pants when the gun goes off at the hip!

Yeah that just seems super dangerous honestly lol.

Oh there are a lot of them out there. All the guys using them switch because of flinch. There is usually a bright orange sticker they put on the grip cap to identify them. They even use them in doubles, with release then pull or double release ( you have to "pull" to reset in between shots).
I just looked, and a release for a Perazzi is $1850 and you need a another one to shoot doubles.

I have tried other people's guns out of curiosity, but it is definitely not for me.

That’s freaking wild! I shot with quite a few people and never saw one. I was young, but I normally paid close attention to those around me too.

 

[Formidilosus]

Yeah that just seems super dangerous honestly lol.

It is. It’s a horrible thing.

That’s freaking wild! I shot with quite a few people and never saw one. I was young, but I normally paid close attention to those around me too.

They’re used quite a bit. My experience was that people didn’t really talk about them as they went to them after having developed a terrible flinch- more like target panic in archery.

 

[RockAndSage]

“I’ve seen a 20 GAYge kill birds. But nothing like a 12 gauge….”

20g Creedmoor?

 

[Bugger]

Yeah that just seems super dangerous honestly lol.

Anywhere else it’s called a “dead-man switch”!
And yeah you’re right, flinchers gonna flinch regardless of the style of mousetrap.

 

[Packmansion]

I simply enjoy pointing out the obvious. Most guys shoot 1 oz target loads without even thinking of it - they aren’t afraid of it, and in fact find it pleasant to shoot. I don’t make that up - most guys, except for you, would agree.

Sorry if that contradicts your brand image that anything over a 223 is too much recoil that guys should be afraid of.

Can you not see the difference between shooting big game at extended distance vs shooting a scattergun at pen raised birds at the country club? If your flinch is bad enough to miss a bird I'm not hunting with you. I have a family I need to go home to.

 

[huntnful]

It is. It’s a horrible thing.





They’re used quite a bit. My experience was that people didn’t really talk about them as they went to them after having developed a terrible flinch- more like target panic in archery.

Ahhhh, that makes a lot of sense really. So more prevalent than was lead to believe I’m sure.

 

[fwafwow]

I simply enjoy pointing out the obvious. Most guys shoot 1 oz target loads without even thinking of it - they aren’t afraid of it, and in fact find it pleasant to shoot. I don’t make that up - most guys, except for you, would agree.

Sorry if that contradicts your brand image that anything over a 223 is too much recoil that guys should be afraid of.

It's getting old.

 

[gotlag1789]

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[Castle Rock]

That would be neat- if shotgunners didn’t flinch. That the irony is lost on you to use shotgun recoil and flinching as an example that recoil doesn’t matter, would be sad if you did anything but troll.

I mean it’s not like there is a whole industry of backwards functioning triggers for shotgunners that cannot physically/mentally pull a trigger without having a seizure behind the gun or anything…. And it’s also not like 100% when a shotgunner gets a click instead of a bang on a bird or clay, that they don’t nearly fall on their face from anticipation….

And, it’s not like 410’s with certain ammo has become a monster for turkey, ducks, geese, etc.

It is so funny to watch those guys come off the shotgun line and then shoot a couple of rifle loads off the bench
They are ducking their heads every time.

 

[eric1115]

I simply enjoy pointing out the obvious. Most guys shoot 1 oz target loads without even thinking of it - they aren’t afraid of it, and in fact find it pleasant to shoot. I don’t make that up - most guys, except for you, would agree.

Sorry if that contradicts your brand image that anything over a 223 is too much recoil that guys should be afraid of.

Ever shoot a 5 or 10 shot group out of a slug gun? Pleasant isn't the first word that comes to mind.

I grew up on slug guns with heavy, creepy triggers, and I'll tell you from experience, you can flinch two or three times on one shot when that trigger moves a little bit.

 

[TaperPin]

Ever shoot a 5 or 10 shot group out of a slug gun? Pleasant isn't the first word that comes to mind.

I grew up on slug guns with heavy, creepy triggers, and I'll tell you from experience, you can flinch two or three times on one shot when that trigger moves a little bit.

That doesn’t sound like much fun. Slugs are shot faster than bird loads - rather than 7 mag levels, it would be more like a 338.