Petition - OTC for Colorado Residents

[Archer86]

true, but random isn't always good or fair. one hunter may take years to draw where another hunter may draw consistently. remove draw, and a PP system gets put on a cycle which limits all hunters equally for a given unit.
it's how some units here are done and each unit has its own cycle. my property is on a 3 year cycle currently so I have to apply to get the points knowing I can't hunt a certain animal in that area for 3 years. I can still hunt everywhere else though. of course, I have landowner permits so I bypass that rule. also, NR cannot get points for my unit currently. it's a very effective system that gets monitored and adjusted every year and is coupled with antler restrictions.
by doing this, RES get their OTC and can equally hunt the prime units every so often while also helping trophy bull #'s. NON RES PP can be put on a longer cycle to limit hunters if needed, while also offering OTC to either less desirable areas or units that need extra conservation help. but to do this, a NR cannot be allowed to buy OTC and also receive PP's its one or the other. and CPW would actually have to work and be active in all aspects yearly.

Random is a as fair as it gets. Whatever state your in sounds like a pain .

 

[___DAN___]

Can you imagine if the rest of the folks who used the national forest were required to pay for some sort of tag to hike, bike, or whatever it is they do, just like hunters. NR recreationists have to pay more, to hike on trophy trails or climb trophy peaks…….

This one hits hard...

 

[Archer86]

This one hits hard...

Not really a good comparison at all hunters are a consumable user very different.

Everyone complain about cost probably doesn't think about what that would do to point creep even more. Cost is a way to limit nr hunters from even applying

Let's make it cheap to apply across all states and then let's see what happens to point creep and getting tags as a nr.

 

[___DAN___]

Not really a good comparison at all hunters are a consumable user very different.

Everyone complain about cost probably doesn't think about what that would do to point creep even more. Cost is a way to limit nr hunters from even applying

Let's make it cheap to apply across all states and then let's see what happens to point creep and getting tags as a nr.

Cost aren't limiting NR from applying if you couldn't tell already. I'm not sure where you are going with this...did you want to compare hikers and hunters now?

 

[Archer86]

Cost aren't limiting NR from applying if you couldn't tell already. I'm not sure where you are going with this...did you want to compare hikers and hunters now?

Lol reduce the cost and see what happens. As a residnet of a western state I don't apply for many states out side of my home state but if it was cheaper I would apply everywhere and there are alot of resident hunters that don't apply out of there home state at all and you don't think that will change if fees are cut way down?

You literally compared hunters and hikers in the post you quoted I was just saying its not a equally comparison. not really a comparison at all

 

[stanginthe11s]

Random is a as fair as it gets. Whatever state your in sounds like a pain .

I assure you, random is never fair. nothing in life that just randomly happens is ever fair. unless you randomly find a satchel filled with cash, but then it usually comes with trouble lol.
yes, I'm in the NE so every state over here is a pain. but on occasion, there is a reg that over time actually proves to be effective. nothing is perfect so all we can do is find a balance that makes everyone happy.

 

[stanginthe11s]

to address the other statements, cost does limit people to some degree. maybe less now than in the past, but still a limiting factor.
there are places here that require a use permit for all activities both R and NR. its sucks and I never go there which is a shame because I grew up in some of those places and would love to go but I know where that money is going. however, in the spirit of this thread, it is a very effective solution lol. it will definitely keep hunters out of the woods.
another question I'd like to ask is what is meant when you say hunters are a consumable user?
one could argue that hunters are the lowest impact group as far as wildlife, and the most active when it comes to conservation. so if you mean we consume a tiny bit of natural resource, realize we are also the ones who continue to fight to replace it. no other group does that like we do.

 

[Mykolaivka887]

to address the other statements .....
another question I'd like to ask is what is meant when you say hunters are a consumable user?
one could argue that hunters are the lowest impact group as far as wildlife ..... so if you mean we consume

I believe what he meant to say, was that hunters are consumpive users, not "consumable" users. But, we all got it.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Cost aren't limiting NR from applying if you couldn't tell already. I'm not sure where you are going with this...did you want to compare hikers and hunters now?

Lol reduce the cost and see what happens. As a residnet of a western state I don't apply for many states out side of my home state but if it was cheaper I would apply everywhere and there are alot of resident hunters that don't apply out of there home state at all and you don't think that will change if fees are cut way down?

You literally compared hunters and hikers in the post you quoted I was just saying its not a equally comparison. not really a comparison at all

Cost absolutely matters, a whole portion of the population is priced out of Western hunting. I know and talk to quite a few people across a wide spectrum, most of the "rich people" and "better off" people Elk hunt quite a bit with guides and LO tags, most of the "comfortable people" play the draw systems and go from time to time, and the "working class" people almost always talk about how they wish to go some day but it costs so much to build points and pay for the tag if they draw. I know a ton of these guys that $800 is a wallup to them, and that's just for the tag, a trip out of state and all that entails that comes with it is a once a year out of state family vacation they'd have to sacrifice. So most of these guys don't ever apply, purely because of the cost of doing so.

 

[Mykolaivka887]

I think that as America continues to move more and more toward woke entitlement perception, more and more younger people believe that hunting is an American right. It's not. Hunting is not a right. It's a privilege. So if OTC tags go away in the United States, oh well, too bad. You're not entitled to it, really. Grow up.

 

[intunegp]

I think that as America continues to move more and more toward woke entitlement perception, more and more younger people believe that hunting is an American right. It's not. Hunting is not a right. It's a privilege. So if OTC tags go away in the United States, oh well, too bad. You're not entitled to it, really. Grow up.

Hunting is an American right and while that may not be codified in law in all states it doesn't make it any less true. Buying chemically engineered, corn-syrup filled "food" at the grocery store is a privilege. Picking up a Hot'N'Ready on the way home instead of learning how to cook is a privilege. Going out into nature and applying your skills to procure your own food is a right.

 

[Mykolaivka887]

Hunting is an American right ..... Going out into nature and applying your skills to procure your own food is a right.

I disagree, entirely.

 

[intunegp]

I disagree, entirely.

Care to elaborate at all or are you just going to throw a controversial opinion out there and walk away?

 

[tdhanses]

Nobody is blaming anybody, it’s reality. Whether it’s california, nonresidents, or aliens from mars it is what it is.

Which town in Colorado would “go under” without nonresidents? Meaning, shops would close down, etc? I’ll wait for your answer…

Every single tourist town relies on NR, just not only NR hunters. Many would crumble if they lost all NR activity.

 

[Mykolaivka887]

Care to elaborate at all or are you just going to throw a controversial opinion out there and walk away?

It's just that in my line of work, I encounter more and more younger Millennials and older Gen Z'ers that truly believe that hunting is a granted right in the United States. It's truly not, though. It's simply a privilege. But, their erroneous belief is also a true reflection of how lost this society/culture has become, in all of its politically correct wokeness. Entitlement and enabling is the new reality, unfortunately.

 

[intunegp]

It's just that in my line of work, I encounter more and more younger Millennials and older Gen Z'ers that truly believe that hunting is a granted right in the United States. It's truly not, though. It's simply a privilege. But, their erroneous belief is also a true reflection of how lost this society/culture has become, in all of its politically correct wokeness. Entitlement and enabling is the new reality, unfortunately.

You keep saying it's a privilege not a right, and blaming younger people for societal issues but you haven't provided any insight as to why you feel that way. Who grants us this privilege we're so lucky to have? Why do Americans not have the right to harvest wild game? Right now it sounds like you believe we're hunting the king's animals like old England or something but who do they belong to if not the people?

 

[Mykolaivka887]

You keep saying it's a privilege not a right, and blaming younger people for societal issues but you haven't provided any insight as to why you feel that way. Who grants us this privilege we're so lucky to have? Why do Americans not have the right to harvest wild game? Right now it sounds like you believe we're hunting the king's animals like old England or something but who do they belong to if not the people?

I don't blame younger generations for societal issues, but I do see younger generations enabling societal issues by way of their beliefs. I think the blame for societal issues falls on a mix of all generations, based soley on their political leanings.

 

[intunegp]

I don't blame younger generations for societal issues, but I do see younger generations enabling societal issues by way of their beliefs. I think the blame for societal issues falls on a mix of all generations, based soley on their political leanings.

Okay, I'm going to try one more time then leave it alone. I'm trying to get you to help me understand your perspective and you're beating around the bush.

Who grants us this privilege we're so lucky to have? Why do Americans not have the right to harvest wild game? Right now it sounds like you believe we're hunting the king's animals like old England or something but who do they belong to if not the people?

 

[stanginthe11s]

another turn, great lol.
hunting is a human, natural right that we all have. its the same as the bear, wolf, lion etc. now I do consider it a privilege to hunt these animals but that is granted by god, not some other human who thinks he's god.
I'm sure what you mean is in relation to the laws put in place because humans have wiped out entire species. in that respect one may look at it as a privilege but really its just a right that is governed to some degree for a good purpose. if im wrong, and you think its a privalage granted by a government then you have deep issues. hunting pre dates any and all known governments, and it is part of survival. going to the grocery store is a privilage.

 

[RyanT26]

Okay, I'm going to try one more time then leave it alone. I'm trying to get you to help me understand your perspective and you're beating around the bush.

Who grants us this privilege we're so lucky to have? Why do Americans not have the right to harvest wild game? Right now it sounds like you believe we're hunting the king's animals like old England or something but who do they belong to if not the people?

The individual states manage their wildlife. This is not a new concept. I don’t know what you’re having trouble understanding.
Your hunting privileges can be revoked by the states. That is a fact. If you continue to violate game laws, you can be incarcerated. You have no right to hunt. Just as you have no right to drive. Driving is a privilege that is granted to you.

Just so I understand your idea here. Since you consider hunting a right. I have a right to go shoot a moose in Colorado without a tag or head up to Yellowstone and blast the first grizzly bear I seen because hunting is a right granted to you as an American citizen?