Petition - OTC for Colorado Residents

[Mykolaivka887]

Okay, I'm going to try one more time then leave it alone. I'm trying to get you to help me understand your perspective and you're beating around the bush.

Who grants us this privilege we're so lucky to have? Why do Americans not have the right to harvest wild game? Right now it sounds like you believe we're hunting the king's animals like old England or something but who do they belong to if not the people?

The fifty states created the privilige, via their conservation management policies. 501c3's and Congress, and some presidential administrations, have helped to further that privilege. The founding fathers of the United States did not include it in the Bill of Rights, though.

 

[Archer86]

Back on track 1500 signatures and growing. Keep colorado otc for residents. Heck I am a nr of colorado and I support this. Just think the more the resident opportunities shrink the more nr opportunities will shrink also and at a faster pace

 

[Mykolaivka887]

Just think the more the resident opportunities shrink the more nr opportunities will shrink also and at a faster pace

This is a fact /\ /\ /\ /\

 

[stanginthe11s]

Just so I understand your idea here. Since you consider hunting a right. I have a right to go shoot a moose in Colorado without a tag or head up to Yellowstone and blast the first grizzly bear I seen because hunting is a right granted to you as an American citizen?

yes, you have that right, it is a natural right. but you will get arrested, that is a law. there are differences in rights and laws are not rights or privileges, then are just an enforceable rule based on society.

 

[stanginthe11s]

The fifty states created the privilige, via their conservation management policies. 501c3's and Congress, and some presidential administrations, have helped to further that privilege. The founding fathers of the United States did not include it in the Bill of Rights, though.

again, hunting predates any government. the 50 states did not create hunting or the privilege, we just implemented laws in the name of conservation to prevent the annihilation of species.
this has been recognized as fact worldwide and upheld in courts. in case you didn't know, its called subsistence living. yes, laws threaten that right, but it doesn't make it less of a right.

 

[intunegp]

The individual states manage their wildlife. This is not a new concept. I don’t know what you’re having trouble understanding.
Your hunting privileges can be revoked by the states. That is a fact. If you continue to violate game laws, you can be incarcerated. You have no right to hunt. Just as you have no right to drive. Driving is a privilege that is granted to you.

Just so I understand your idea here. Since you consider hunting a right. I have a right to go shoot a moose in Colorado without a tag or head up to Yellowstone and blast the first grizzly bear I seen because hunting is a right granted to you as an American citizen?

No need to be confrontational chief. I'm not having trouble understanding anything except the other guy's perspective. I feel your line of thinking is flawed and a lot of this comes down to semantics.

Would you say breathing is a privilege because someone could suffocate you and remove your privilege to breathe? Is walking a privilege because your legs can be broken or you can become paralyzed and no longer have the ability to walk?

Just because the ability to do or access something can be taken away from you doesn't make it a privilege. Likewise just because something is your right doesn't mean you can do it exactly as you please, when you please, and how you please, because laws and regulations have to exist in a society and of course there will be repercussions for not obeying them.

The fifty states created the privilige, via their conservation management policies. 501c3's and Congress, and some presidential administrations, have helped to further that privilege. The founding fathers of the United States did not include it in the Bill of Rights, though.

See, I would say the fifty states facilitate the right with their conservation management policies. Non-profits and the government facilitate the right with their actions and inputs. I don't think it's a privilege just because it could be taken away by legislation and I don't think something has to be codified in law to be a human right. The founding fathers of the Unites states didn't include the right to drink water in the Bill of Rights but I'd have to imagine they'd agree that you should be able to drink water. It would probably be a completely foreign concept to those fellows that the government could/would potentially remove a citizen's ability to hunt.

 

[Mykolaivka887]

in case you didn't know, its called subsistence living.

I'm not a fan of modern-day "subsistence" hunting/fishing. For me, subsistence uses in the out-of-doors boils down to the debate between toilet paper and moss.

 

[OKHunter84]

Several states have added the right to hunt and fish to their state constitutions

 

[stanginthe11s]

I'm not a fan of modern-day "subsistence" hunting/fishing. For me, subsistence uses in the out-of-doors boils down to the debate between toilet paper and moss.

lol moss all day. its a natural baby wipe.

 

[Mykolaivka887]

In all the hub-bub over rights and privileges and laws, and whatnot, forgot to mention that I did sign the petition.

 

[___DAN___]

In all the hubbub over rights and privileges and laws, and whatnot, forgot to mention that I did NOT sign the petition.

Get rid of OTC entirely.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

In all the hubbub over rights and privileges and laws, and whatnot, forgot to mention that I did NOT sign the petition.

Get rid of OTC entirely.

On the surface I'm inclined to think that's a great idea, but when I take a step back I have to feel bad for the locals losing ability to hunt every year. Here in Texas I can hunt lots of things, year round even, and native deer guaranteed every year without question. It's tough for me to imagine a resident up there not being able to get a deer tag or elk tag and having to sit out, just doesn't seem right.

 

[stanginthe11s]

that's not nice DAN, they have the right to OTC or the privilege.
I think anyone who comes in this thread to bicker should sign the petition.

 

[___DAN___]

On the surface I'm inclined to think that's a great idea, but when I take a step back I have to feel bad for the locals losing ability to hunt every year. Here in Texas I can hunt lots of things, year round even, and native deer guaranteed every year without question. It's tough for me to imagine a resident up there not being able to get a deer tag or elk tag and having to sit out, just doesn't seem right.

I'm all for allocating more tags to resident. Just get rid of the OTC system.

 

[Hnthrdr]

I'm all for allocating more tags to resident. Just get rid of the OTC system.

We will, for NR first. It might get to the point that R lose it as well. But for now I don’t think that is necessary. Getting rid of OTC for Residents is like someone asking you to shave your mustache or stop hunting whitetails every year, just unnecessary

 

[___DAN___]

We will, for NR first. It might get to the point that R lose it as well. But for now I don’t think that is necessary. Getting rid of OTC for Residents is like someone asking you to shave your mustache or stop hunting whitetails every year, just unnecessary

Wishful thinking? I was thinking....getting rid of OTC for R would be more like taking a pacifier from a baby.

 

[Mykolaivka887]

Wishful thinking? I was thinking....getting rid of OTC for R would be more like taking a pacifier from a baby.

When Nevada and Arizona went to draw permit for everyone, simultaneously, there wasn't an uproar from anyone. But that was before entitlement, me first, mine-not-yours, wokeness, enabling, coddling, etc, etc, etc came into becoming the all-pervasive idealogy of the United States citizenry. How this country has gone so far to hell in just 60 years is beyond me ......

 

[stanginthe11s]

When Nevada and Arizona went to draw permit for everyone, simultaneously, there wasn't an uproar from anyone. But that was before entitlement, me first, mine-not-yours, wokeness, enabling, coddling, etc, etc, etc came into becoming the all-pervasive idealogy of the United States citizenry. How this country has gone so far to hell in just 60 years is beyond me ......

the signs were there.
I think part of it is the fact that CO is the last to shut out hunters, so the reality to some that they may never hunt the west again or may not have the opportunities they once had hurts. but yes, the majority are crying for reasons you stated.

 

[Phaseolus]

Every single tourist town relies on NR, just not only NR hunters. Many would crumble if they lost all NR activity.

Who thinks all out of state tourists are going to stop visiting Colorado? For what reason?

 

[tdhanses]

Who thinks all out of state tourists are going to stop visiting Colorado? For what reason?

Didn’t say they would, just replying that NR’s do prop up many towns in CO with all forms of tourism including hunting.

In reality many NR could careless about hunting, same goes for a majority of R.