Petition - OTC for Colorado Residents

[Overdrive]

Why?

I won't sign because I work as a guide for an outfitter in an OTC unit, 99.9,% of our clients are NR and some book as many as 5 years out to reserve a spot to hunt with us every year. If it changes I see a scheduling nightmare and potential of revenue loss for the outfitter which trickles down to my wallet also.

The only resident hunters we might pick up are Moose and 3rd or 4th Deer as those take several PP's.

 

[intunegp]

I won't sign because I work as a guide for an outfitter in an OTC unit, 99.9,% of our clients are NR and some book as many as 5 years out to reserve a spot to hunt with us every year. If it changes I see a scheduling nightmare and potential of revenue loss for the outfitter which trickles down to my wallet also.

The only resident hunters we might pick up are Moose and 3rd or 4th Deer as those take several PP's.

You should actually read the petition. CPW is already considering the removal of OTC archery tags. This petition is to at least keep OTC for residents. So by not signing you're saying you're okay with all OTC going away...by signing you'd at least have the potential for resident OTC hunters.

 

[MallardSX2]

You should actually read the petition. CPW is already considering the removal of OTC archery tags. This petition is to at least keep OTC for residents. So by not signing you're saying you're okay with all OTC going away...by signing you'd at least have the potential for resident OTC hunters.

You must have missed the part about 99% of his clients being NR....

 

[stanginthe11s]

I won't sign because I work as a guide for an outfitter in an OTC unit, 99.9,% of our clients are NR and some book as many as 5 years out to reserve a spot to hunt with us every year. If it changes I see a scheduling nightmare and potential of revenue loss for the outfitter which trickles down to my wallet also.

The only resident hunters we might pick up are Moose and 3rd or 4th Deer as those take several PP's.

it has been proven by fake #'s that no businesses in CO will be affected by this, dont worry the other res. will cover your bills.
on a serious note, yes this petition is for res. keeping OTC so if you sign it there is at least a possibility of getting res. hunters at your job, even if it is only .1%

 

[Overdrive]

You should actually read the petition. CPW is already considering the removal of OTC archery tags. This petition is to at least keep OTC for residents. So by not signing you're saying you're okay with all OTC going away...by signing you'd at least have the potential for resident OTC hunters.

I don't support any OTC going away NR or R, so I'm not going to sign something that supports one over the other or vise versa. Residents don't bring in as much revenue with license sales, hell I buy Deer, Elk (2), Small Game/fishing combo, Turkey plis the other draws and it doesn't add up to NR Deer license. I'd rather see Resident prices stay lower and that is only possible with NR license sales.

I haven't personally hunted OTC is 7-8 years I can draw a 2nd choice Elk license and still build PP's and hunt, yup I'm that guy everyone wants to complain about but they should've been using the system too.

 

[intunegp]

You must have missed the part about 99% of his clients being NR....

Nope, didn't miss that, just figured 1% is better than 0%

I don't support any OTC going away NR or R, so I'm not going to sign something that supports one over the other or vise versa. Residents don't bring in as much revenue with license sales, hell I buy Deer, Elk (2), Small Game/fishing combo, Turkey plis the other draws and it doesn't add up to NR Deer license. I'd rather see Resident prices stay lower and that is only possible with NR license sales.

I haven't personally hunted OTC is 7-8 years I can draw a 2nd choice Elk license and still build PP's and hunt, yup I'm that guy everyone wants to complain about but they should've been using the system too.

Whether you support it or not, it is happening. Kinda like 1% would be better than 0%, having a voice is better than not having one.

(Copied and pasted)-- At a hybrid, in-person/virtual meeting January 17 and 18 in Colorado Springs, the Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission kicked off discussion for the next 5-year Big Game Season Structure (we’re entering the 4th year of the current plan). They will consider shifting to a 7-year structure in the future to allow more time for changes to be studied. Significant items discussed were:

1. CPW commission approved a change to remove both resident and non-resident Over-the-Counter (OTC) unlimited archery elk tags from the Grand Mesa Unit DAU E-14 (GMUs 41, 411, 42, 421, 52, 521) to assist with overcrowding (even though the vast majority of the OTC archery hunters in this area are non-residents). A few public comments were heard, and those focused on overcrowding primarily being caused by out-of-state hunters. The commission stated that at a future meeting they will consider removing ALL archery OTC licenses statewide for 2024 and converting them to draw.

 

[MallardSX2]

Having 1% vs no % is a bit of a ridiculous argument.

For the record, I am a NR and I support going to a draw for all units. And I also support having to burn all of your points on any A-list tag regardless of when it is drawn...So there is that.

 

[Overdrive]

Nope, didn't miss that, just figured 1% is better than 0%



Whether you support it or not, it is happening. Kinda like 1% would be better than 0%, having a voice is better than not having one.

Of course it's going to happen, so many people are willing to limit their hunt opportunity that they aren't looking ahead.

This is what I see, they'll do draw for Elk but they are going to have so many licenses still available it won't change the overcrowding that many complain about. Now it will cost R $30-40 and NR $100 more just to apply and we'll still have people bitching and moaning, especially residents. So now we pay more to hunt and it will still be crowded in a majority or the "draw OTC" areas.

I don't want to see limited hunting in the future, I want people to get out and hunt and enjoy it. But for some reason people willfully want to let themselves get limited and pay more for the same thing their have now.

 

[intunegp]

Having 1% vs no % is a bit of a ridiculous argument.

For the record, I am a NR and I support going to a draw for all units. And I also support having to burn all of your points on any A-list tag regardless of when it is drawn...So there is that.

It's completely beside the point...irrelevant. He's not going to lose 99% of his clients, they're just going to have to draw their tag. The health of his guide business and whether or not Colorado residents should be able to buy OTC tags clearly have nothing to do with each other.

Of course it's going to happen, so many people are willing to limit their hunt opportunity that they aren't looking ahead.

This is what I see, they'll do draw for Elk but they are going to have so many licenses still available it won't change the overcrowding that many complain about. Now it will cost R $30-40 and NR $100 more just to apply and we'll still have people bitching and moaning, especially residents. So now we pay more to hunt and it will still be crowded in a majority or the "draw OTC" areas.

I don't want to see limited hunting in the future, I want people to get out and hunt and enjoy it. But for some reason people willfully want to let themselves get limited and pay more for the same thing their have now.

I guess I don't see why any of that makes you not want to support maintaining OTC for residents.

 

[IrkedCitizen]

We should be petitioning against this kind of stuff as well.

Colorado Adds 3 Animal Rights Professionals to Its Wildlife Commission

Three new appointees to Colorado’s state wildlife commission have backgrounds in animal-welfare communities.

www.outdoorlife.com

 

[MallardSX2]

It's completely beside the point...irrelevant. He's not going to lose 99% of his clients, they're just going to have to draw their tag.

You should have just said that then.

 

[intunegp]

You should have just said that then.

You responded to my original post that had nothing to do with his clientele telling me I must have missed that 99% of his clientele are NR. I didn't say anything about it until you brought it into the conversation.

 

[Archer86]

I won't sign because I work as a guide for an outfitter in an OTC unit, 99.9,% of our clients are NR and some book as many as 5 years out to reserve a spot to hunt with us every year. If it changes I see a scheduling nightmare and potential of revenue loss for the outfitter which trickles down to my wallet also.

The only resident hunters we might pick up are Moose and 3rd or 4th Deer as those take several PP's.

It'll they are booking 5 years out it won't change much when it goes draw for nr that area will likely take less then 5 points to draw for many years

 

[AHAL]

this is interesting. As a nonresident hunter that has hunted Colorado OTC and draw - I would prefer it to stay as is.

But also, as a nonresident hunter who dealt with the OTC crowd and everything associated.. I completely understand

 

[Hnthrdr]

Pave roads?

Maybe fix the ones already in place first.

Colorado DOT highway system is a joke

You want a load of crock, check out the head of CDOT, its political favor Polis did for friends of the Obamas. She is a Harvard grad with a degree in history. Sounds totally qualified to be the head of CDoT. But don’t worry she created an equity and diversity branch of CDOT so we can be sure our roads are paved in an equitable manner….

 

[Overdrive]

I guess I don't see why any of that makes you not want to support maintaining OTC for residents.

I haven't seen anything that suggests that crowding will change, the OTC areas I've hunted were predominantly residents so it won't change. I bet I could still drive up there and see the same camps with the same residents even though I haven't been there in 7-8 years. I'm sure there's units that are opposite as I haven't hunted all units in Colorado.

You don't have to agree or understand me, I'm not like most residents, having lived here my entire life I surely don't feel entitled to have the hunting all to myself.

 

[Overdrive]

It'll they are booking 5 years out it won't change much when it goes draw for nr that area will likely take less then 5 points to draw for many years

I think you misunderstood me, I probably didn't word it the best.

We have groups of NR that book 5 year blocks, they want to hunt with us every year so they book 5 years in a row to stay locked in and hold their spot. Most other repeats book every other or every third year.

 

[intunegp]

I haven't seen anything that suggests that crowding will change, the OTC areas I've hunted were predominantly residents so it won't change. I bet I could still drive up there and see the same camps with the same residents even though I haven't been there in 7-8 years. I'm sure there's units that are opposite as I haven't hunted all units in Colorado.

You don't have to agree or understand me, I'm not like most residents, having lived here my entire life I surely don't feel entitled to have the hunting all to myself.

I don't think anyone is suggesting residents should have all the hunting to themselves. I do think residents should be able to buy OTC tags. You don't have to agree or understand me either, but people understanding each other's views helps reach agreeable solutions for all parties.

 

[RyanT26]

We should be petitioning against this kind of stuff as well.

Colorado Adds 3 Animal Rights Professionals to Its Wildlife Commission

Three new appointees to Colorado’s state wildlife commission have backgrounds in animal-welfare communities.

www.outdoorlife.com

We are too busy fighting each other for the scraps.

 

[Pilsner]

Signed. I live in Florida

Also, I'm all for doing away with NR OTC in every state. Get rid of the casual hunters who don't plan ahead, and the point hoarders who have their cake and eat it too.

This.
Make the current OTC units into 100% draw units for NR BUT the draw has a deadline before the other states put out draw results.

Keep NR access easy but eliminate the folks who use OTC tags in CO as their back up/I didn't draw elsewhere plan.