franklin - I could group my BH and FP out to 60 yards very well. Only thing was the FP grouped about 4" off the mark. I looked into proper grip position and form and changed my grip. Just in doing that, they started to group better and with a little adjustment they group fine. Torq and grip from what I have seen on my Hoyt can really change the impact of an arrow. When I tried changing and makeing adjustments on the bow and everything stayed the same, that is when I realized it had to be me.