Motorcylists... dual sport vs adventure bike ?

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I would love to hear any and all input on dual sport vs going with the larger adventure bike for backroad ( where legal) and general riding.. I am planning on selling off the ninja and moving to something little more intune with the outdoors. Between commute/street riding - I put on a few thousand miles on the Z but wouldnt mind finding something to both ride as a commute and for dirt track/ scouting/ where i can
 
If you're just going to do gravel roads or maybe some easy FS roads ( little or no mud) the T7 or equivalent
would work. Or Africa Twin. Dont even think of the bigger ones.
Once the going gets a little dicey at all that weight is going to bite you.
If you're not traveling a long way to where you want to any of the 3-500 cc dual sports will
treat you well.

Used bike market is down so you should be able to keep the Ninja for street and
still get a decent used DS for shorter runs and scouting/hunting.


Full disclosure: I have a zx-14, zx-10, KTM640 ADV, Yamaha wr450f.
 
If you really want to do single track, stick with a smaller dual sport. I currently have a CRF 300L Rally at the moment but have had larger dual sports (KLR 650 and DR 650). I've done the Alpine Loop, Black Bear Pass, trails in Moab, and a good bit of moto-camping across Colorado. Unless, you've got some serious off road trail riding skills, (I do not) the larger dual sports and adventure bikes are really not adequate on anything more than mild jeep trails. They are great on longer stretches of pavement, dirt and gravel roads. Much more comfortable, wind protection, more stable at hwy speeds, more capacity for luggage and gear. Be realistic about what you want out of a bike and your skill level. Also be realistic about how much weight you are willing to pick up solo on a steep rocky mountain trail when you dump the bike.
 
I ride dirtbikes a lot and have been since I was a little kid. My skills are solid and I normally ride a KTM 350 but I’ve had everything from 125’s to 450’s. Last year me and two buddies rented KTM 890’s and a 1290 and did a four day ride all over northern Nevada and probably 90% of it was on dirt. One of the three of us was experienced riding street motorcycles but never on dirt and he had a rough time on the 890 and ended up breaking his foot and totaling the bike on day 3. Me and my other buddy adapted fine and had fun but really have no desire to ride bikes that large and heavy off road ever again. I do have another buddy that rides a KTM 1290 as if it’s a dirt bike but he’s ridiculously large and strong.

I would like to try a KTM 500 or maybe a 690. My recommendation would be to get a dual sport 450-500 KTM/Husky.
 
As mentioned above the KTM/Husky's dual sports/enduros are a good choice. Yamaha T7. Aprilia Tuareg. The Beta 390 RS is a street legal version of the Beta RR. Honda 450RL as well. The new Suzuki DRZ 4S with fuel injection. I like my CRF 300L Rally but truth be told its not a great trail bike. Its heavy for what it is, under powered, and needs suspension upgrades out of the box ( I have a rally raid stage 1 set up on mine). But it was relatively cheap, uber reliable, larger capacity fuel tank, and gets ~70mpg under normal riding.
 
My last "dual sport" was a kTM 350xcf (made street legal after the fact). Really liked that bike. It's perfect for trails and tooling aroung FS and BLM areas for short day rides.

That said, I prefer my ADV bike (F800GS) for my riding now. Now, I know mine and it's limitations (it's 500lbs after all) but I have ridden it on some rather sketchy roads. It's been to Alaska and back, and sections of the CO, UT, and WY BDRs. If you can swing it, and you have the areas to ride, get both. 🤷‍♂️
 
Sold a Yamaha r1 and bought a Honda xr650l and a Yamaha rmax. Love the big rx, it is great for running dirt roads, not so much a trail bike. Bought a cfr230 for the trails and use it in Idaho for elk hunting.
 
Get a drz400. Old, cheap, reliable, super easy to work on. Still small enough for single track, but big enough to do 55 on the highway.

Whatever you get, be sure to spring it for your weight.
 
Does commuting require highways or going around 60mph? How are you defining backroads and dirt track scouting? But in general weight is your enemy off road. To include picking it up off the ground. And the more weight the higher chance of injury. I wouldn’t want anything over around 350lbs if I was doing much off road riding. And keep knocking that weight down the more technical the trail gets. Of course skill level matters and the numbers adjust accordingly. For tame forest service roads and gravel roads you would be fine on many of the 600-700cc dual sports and could get away with heavier bikes like a KLR650. Those big 550+ pound Adventure class bikes market off road use but for the average to good riders they are no bueno on much more than a decent dirt road. They are expensive to drop or wreck too. If you start dealing with much ruts, sand, mud, roots, rocks, hill climbs/descents, narrow trails then I’d be looking at sub 500cc bikes. Again depending on your riding situations, I’d say the crfl and klx bikes by Honda and Kawasaki are good models to consider. The 300cc bikes. DRZ400S is another good one. If you need more for the road the Suzuki Dr650s type bikes are good. If you like parting with your money, KTM 690 Husqvarna 701 are on the big side. They commute well but have legitimate off road ability. KTM, Husqvarna, Beta 500cc and smaller dual sports are really straight up dirt bikes with just enough to be street legal. They are awesome but very dirt oriented and pricey. Honda and Kawasaki, probably others, offer bikes in this class too. Don’t over look maintenance and miles from a tank. The smaller and more dirt bike oriented they are the more frequent the maintenance intervals. Mainly oil changes. And the smaller the gas tanks. Aftermarket bigger tanks exist for all of them. Dirt bikes generally have lightweight subframes and are more difficult to use for panniers, tail racks, carrying much extra in general. There are solutions to these things. But in the end dual sport = compromise. But still tons of fun.
 
Yamaha WR450. Run a smaller rear sprocket. Add bark busters change tires to dual sports and your fine. Easily runs 70 on hwy and much better in the woods.
 
500/501 is hard to beat of a guy is going to be getting onto the tighter stuff


690/700 if a guy was doing more road
 
I ride a KTM 1290 SAR and love it. After riding with a pro at a rally a few years ago and watching him rip up single track on that same bike without even breaking a sweat, I will never again think there's such a thing as too big of a bike. Unless you can't pick it up yourself. So, skill is clearly a factor here. That said, the idea of keeping your current bike and getting a reliable dirt bike that can carry a moderate load seems smart. But if I were to trim down to one bike, I'd be looking at 650 ccs. I had 2 of those prior to my SAR and was happy. I did half of the Colorado Backcountry Discovery route on a Suzuki DL650. It was fun. Just wished I had more clearance because I was fully loaded with camping gear. Should have upgraded the suspension. And that bike was slick on the highways but not ZOOOOOMY like my SAR.
 
I have a tiger 800 that I use mostly to go to the gym (60mph for 20 miles) and ride on forest roads. There are a few single track trails around here that I will ride on but I wouldn’t even think about most of them. If I had a little extra money to spend, I would probably look really hard at a cfmoto 450. Something a little smaller would be great in the forest. I have a wr250 that will go about anywhere but it’s not fun to ride it on the road at all. There are a lot of advantages to the adventure bike: wind/weather protection, heated grips, carrying luggage/groceries, service intervals.
 
I would love to hear any and all input on dual sport vs going with the larger adventure bike for backroad ( where legal) and general riding.. I am planning on selling off the ninja and moving to something little more intune with the outdoors. Between commute/street riding - I put on a few thousand miles on the Z but wouldnt mind finding something to both ride as a commute and for dirt track/ scouting/ where i can
Dual sport.
 
All of these bikes ultimately are compromises and you need to determine what you want to prioritize. I have a classic DR650 that is great for forestry roads, but really is a ton of work and not very fun to throw around on any single track beyond mild trails. It’s also not great on the highway especially if there’s any wind and your trying to make some decent miles.

I often think about going with something a little more sporty like a KTM 690, but again it’s just different compromises if your looking for a bike that does it all.

That being said, for me personally, I’d take a dual sport over an adventure bike unless I was going on a proper adventure ride sticking primarily to roads.
 
I’ve never been around adventure bikes, but at a neighbors bbq a dude showed up driving a big adventure bike of some expensive make, who had a look on his face he had just seen a ghost crash a car. An hour earlier he was rocketing across a high desert BLM road like the Dakar rally, slowed down to 40 mph for a big dip and it shot him into the air towards a dirt bank head first like a lawn dart. I don’t know anything about fancy helmets, but he had some high dollar system that connects the helmet to a protective vest so it can’t compress the spine or twist your head off. He said they just sat there for half an hour to get his whits back and contemplated his chosen hobby. I’m still not sure if he’s lucky for spending the extra money on the helmet or unlucky to have the judgement that got him into the pickle. I’ve always been curious if that bike has killed him yet. *chuckle*
 
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