Montana Rifle Co, Shoot2Hunt, and Rokslide Rifle

[PaulDogs]

Probably because you shouldn’t be putting the butt-stock on your clavicle.

Just to clarify for my own sake: are you saying instead of buttock on clavicle, the buttstock should be further out from centerline when using a field rifle? Where does the buttstock land in each position (prone, sitting, standing)? This may be difficult to describe over text.

 

[RockAndSage]

The “squared up” stance wasn’t used by the top end shooters from 2001 when I started, mans mostly isn’t now. The “tactical” world did the collapsed stock, butt pad on pec thing. The highest performing rifle shooters in 3-gun/multi-gun “shot as much rifle as they could”, meaning they extended the butt-stock all the way out or close to, and placed their support hand as far forward on the handguard as possible.







PRS shooters shoot 90% of shots from a tripod or barricade in an upright body position with 25-40lb rifles that functionally do not move. What they are doing is as nearly specialized as benchrest, and about as applicable to hunting. What happens when a rifle with actual recoil is placed on a persons “centerline” (clavicle) and is fired- especially from prone?


Furthermore, if you actually watch shooters shooting in stages and in practice you see that their shoulders are not square to the target, and they do have an angle relative to the rifle. IIRC it was MDT that did a YouTube video about “squared up” and then in all of their own shooting in the video, they are not squared up. The rifle doesn’t care how your body is angled, it cares that the surface it is recoiling against is perpendicular to the bore-line.





Probably because you shouldn’t be putting the butt-stock on your clavicle.






You I believe, like most are visualizing it as the scope stays in place relative to the rifle, and your shoulder and firing grip moves back- that is not what I am saying, nor how it should work. Instead, think- your firing hand stays in place relative to the action and barrel, but your shoulder and head move back with the scope.

In other words your problem is increasing LOP but not moving the scope back to compensate, therefore you are having to scrunch up to get eye relief- this is exaggerated by trigger reaches being too long on stocks. Don’t do that- move the scope back when you increase LOP. Then your hand and wrist are in much better alignment to press a trigger straight to the rear.





No, see above.

Thanks for explaining that, and providing the details. Much appreciated.