Montana bans TikTok

[Wrench]

What's tick tock?

 

[*zap*]

Now that we are collectively supportive of our government infringing on our 1st amendment rights, we should be good with politicians extending that to all our Constitutional rights (even the one that explicitly states "...shall not be infringed.”). You guys with me? Or are we OK picking and choosing which Constitutional rights are protected while vehemently objecting to politicians who do the same damn thing?

time to let the chips fall where they may....ya'll never said much about free speech when they cancelled the sitting potus did ya?

 

[ScreamingPotato]

I loath that stupid app and the mind numbing trance it's users end up in, but I'm not a fan of any government telling it's people what they can or can't do.

 

[LuvsFixedBlades]

He also needs to add age verification to online porn like Utah. None of you guys will be affected, but porn addiction by young boys is one of the most pernicious problems our society faces. Hell, and not just young boys - everyone.

You can mock that it's 'cancel culture' all you want, but wait a generation and you will wish you could come back to today and smash it all. We are headed for cultural suicide.

Cultural suicide is telling a bunch of manly men on a hunting forum who have probably been married to one woman for a very long time that porn will be their demise.

A.I. might kill us all here soon though. In which case, I'll be glad I watched videos of hot chicks I'll never get to bang.

 

[ODB]

Now that we are collectively supportive of our government infringing on our 1st amendment rights, we should be good with politicians extending that to all our Constitutional rights (even the one that explicitly states "...shall not be infringed.”). You guys with me? Or are we OK picking and choosing which Constitutional rights are protected while vehemently objecting to politicians who do the same damn thing?

Which constitutional right protects a communist entity's right to listen and collect private data? Is that also a hint of a penumbra?

What about the 'security of a free state?" Should it not be secured in more ways than simply arms?

 

[RMM]

I loath that stupid app and the mind numbing trance it's users end up in, but I'm not a fan of any government telling it's people what they can or can't do.

Precisely. Let people do what they want and leave us the hell alone.

 

[ODB]

Precisely. Let people do what they want and leave us the hell alone.

You guys need to read the metaphysic poets more. There is no 'they' and 'us.'

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.

-John Donne

 

[MattB]

Which constitutional right protects a communist entity's right to listen acd collect private data? Is that also a hint of a penumbra?

What about the 'security of a free state?" Should it not be secured in more ways than simply arms?

Why perform surgery with a scalpel when you can use an axe, right? The "all or nothing" mentality has worked great for us here in California.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Once the government installs all the abilities to control TikTok and various apps they've got the ability to completely lock down all communications they don't agree with. We've already seen this in China and other places during wars and various conflicts the only comms out are sometimes the TikTok and such. I don't want to give them the ability to control any communication methods. Put out warnings and ban them on government devices and elected officials devices and such and leave the people alone. I'm old enough to decide if I care if China sees my dik pics or whatever gets posted on that filthy app.

 

[*zap*]

Trump sucked, $1.85 gas and $70 less a week for groceries sucked. No new foreign war entanglements sucked. Some type of control of the usa border sucked. No government push for trannies and pedophilia sucked. Etc....

 

[Marbles]

Now that we are collectively supportive of our government infringing on our 1st amendment rights, we should be good with politicians extending that to all our Constitutional rights (even the one that explicitly states "...shall not be infringed.”). You guys with me? Or are we OK picking and choosing which Constitutional rights are protected while vehemently objecting to politicians who do the same damn thing?

Well, constitutional rights are largely for US citizens, not foreign companies. Banning a platform does not limit free speach, any more than a platform banning an individual infringes on that individuals free speach.

I recognize that some on this thread have argued that taking away an individual's platform violates the first amendment and they have no qualms with taking away the platform of hundreds of thousands. It is rank hypocrisy, but hypocrisy says nothing about the validy of an argument, only a whole lot about the character of the person making it.

A slippery slope argument can be made (ban TikTok and next writing letters will be banned, etc), but rarely are such arguments valid. Additionally the inverse slippery slope can be argued (fail to ban TikTok and next we will allow the Chinese secret police to openly operate in our borders), so it nullifies itself.

In general, I am against tariffs and protectionism. TikTok is more than that though and while I have not dug deeply into it, on the surface arguments against it are valid.

My bias is that I dislike almost all social media, even to an extent Rokslide because I'm weak and spend too much time on it. So, my position could be colored by that, and I'm open to arguments against it.

 

[insanelupus]

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
- John Adams

One of the central issues, in my opinion, of any conversation such as this is the fact that our nation now equates moral as legal and legal as moral, not merely synonymous, but the same.

Yet, again in my opinion, much like Adams' sentiment, the morality of the governed was intended to be formed outside of the laws of the nation, founded on an objective base principal outside of our Constitution and our laws were to be informed by that morality.

But in our current society in the US, our morality appears to be formed by our laws, which was never the intent of the founders, again in my opinion.

With many in our society choosing to ignore an objective standard outside of our laws and trading it for subjective standards informed by laws, life quickly gets murky.

And when the laws that now inform our morality fail to hold individuals accountable, the need for self-discipline in society begins to be a rare thing.

Adams' statement was a warning many in the US have failed to heed since and unless that changes conversations such as these will continue to be introduced into our lives.

 

[crrakcrrak]

Great news

 

[Loo.wii]

So. . . Are we banning Facebook, Instagram, and everyone else that harvests data and sells it to the highest bidder???

Because we should probably do that while we are at it!

All those are US companies
US companies are protected under the 1st as the should be.

 

[GunsAreFun]

Hmm, sounds like that "cancel culture" everyone is always railing on. But I guess if it fits your political beliefs it's somehow different...

Yup.

If they were banning 30 round magazines, people would be talking about armed revolution.

 

[Team4LongGun]

Keep it on topic.

 

[MuleyFever]

So much hypocrisy here. Kinda sad.

 

[Dust Rider]

I hope it’s a step in the right direction. Yes, my teenage kids will be sad for a day until they find a new medium. I’m more for the aggressive push to limit and curtail foreign investment in purchasing real estate and agriculture land.

 

[Gutshotem]

Montana did the right thing because the bought and paid for chineese stooge in the white house has his hands tied. He undid the executive order banning tictok, he let the spy balloon cross the entire country and transmit info and only took action after its mission was complete and the media attention was too much and this week he vetoed a bipartisan bill that passed the house and senate targeting chineese solar panels.

Restricting Chinese products isn't new or a constitutional issue. We have restrictions on everything from spyware products like Huawei phones and video surveillance equipment to products made in Xinjiang region using slave labor.

 

[Loo.wii]

This is going to get out of hand.....

Montana did the right thing because the bought and paid for chineese stooge in the white house has his hands tied. He undid the executive order banning tictok, he let the spy balloon cross the entire country and transmit info and only took action after its mission was complete and the media attention was too much and this week he vetoed a bipartisan bill that passed the house and senate targeting chineese solar panels.

Restricting Chinese products isn't new or a constitutional issue. We have restrictions on everything from spyware products like Huawei phones and video surveillance equipment to products made in Xinjiang region using slave labor.