Monos vs. Lead. Which do you choose and why?

[Billy Goat]

So, isn't there a powdered tungsten available?

I have wondered for a while if we would see a tungsten bullet. Not an actual tungsten, but a copper jacket around a tungsten core, possibly a powder tungsten.


It would seem to reason to me we could get some pretty insane BC.

Price might also be insane, but if we thought we had a killer in the .224 Sierra TMK, I think this might make it look like a Mono.
Be a little cheaper than doing it in 30 cal.

 

[UnckleBob]

I haven't switched yet, but have started to experiment with copper. I don't shoot game at particularly long distances and like the fact the lead stays out of my diet.

I just haven't figured it all out yet.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Well... there it is, folks. I post my opinion in a reasonable, thoughtful way, and get personally attacked by people who provide no valuable insight, data, or intelligent discourse of their own. It's wild that simply describing my thought process for deciding to use copper bullets can garner so much vitriol.

That being said, I really appreciate and value the handful of individuals that engage in mature, respectful discourse. You guys more than make up for the bitter guys here that just seem to thrive on belligerence.

That’s the internet for you right? I personally don’t care what anybody uses. People choose what cartridges to use, what type of rifles they like and what sort of bullets to use and that’s that. There’s more than one way to skin a cat right? I get some hate from time to time because I think Kimber makes great rifles lol.

Anyways, I have pretty much switched over 100% to accubonds. They just work for me. I’ve had the Barnes ttsx 250g from my 375 pencil through moose at 300yds and only recovered one of 3 bullets that hit. One expanded a bit larger then .375, the others didn’t seem to expand much or do much damage at all. I never have that issue with accubonds or partitions.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

So, isn't there a powdered tungsten available?

I have wondered for a while if we would see a tungsten bullet. Not an actual tungsten, but a copper jacket around a tungsten core, possibly a powder tungsten.


It would seem to reason to me we could get some pretty insane BC.

Price might also be insane, but if we thought we had a killer in the .224 Sierra TMK, I think this might make it look like a Mono.
Be a little cheaper than doing it in 30 cal.

Barnes used to have a tungsten core bullet. Was it the mrx?

 

[Billy Goat]

Barnes used to have a tungsten core bullet. Was it the mrx?

No idea.

This is just my thoughts from waterfowl hunting, steel kinda sucks, hw kicks ass.

Steel works just fine within the ranges that most shooters can hit things.

Tungsten has almost double the density of lead and is awesome in little tiny bores. I don't use it much, but damn it's cool.

 

[Rick M.]

I haven't switched yet, but have started to experiment with copper. I don't shoot game at particularly long distances and like the fact the lead stays out of my diet.

I just haven't figured it all out yet.

Most of my shots have been under 350, so I'm right there with you. Takes the BC craze out of the equation for the most part as well. None of us have it all figured out, we're all just doing our best with what we've got.

 

[Rick M.]

No idea.

This is just my thoughts from waterfowl hunting, steel kinda sucks, hw kicks ass.

Steel works just fine within the ranges that most shooters can hit things.

Tungsten has almost double the density of lead and is awesome in little tiny bores. I don't use it much, but damn it's cool.

Yeah, the Hevi-Shot tungsten has worked really well for me. It's damn expensive, though. It's an interesting concept though, to have a copper jacketed tungsten bullet.

 

[Rick M.]

@thinhorn_AK your were right. Apparently it was a proprietary "tungsten-based core".

Barnes Maximum Range X Bullets 30 Cal (308 Diameter) 165 Grain MRX

New super premium Maximum Range X Bullets feature a polymer tip, flatter trajectory and greater retained energy at long range. Patented Silvex core...

www.midwayusa.com

 

[Billy Goat]

Yeah, the Hevi-Shot tungsten has worked really well for me. It's damn expensive, though. It's an interesting concept though, to have a copper jacketed tungsten bullet.

Well, Hevi sucks. They sell marketing, and are really elusive as to what you get. The stuff looks like welding slag when you actually get their heavier stuff, ranges in size a bunch.

TSS is pretty nice, but I don't need to turn this into a enviro-metal bash......

 

[Billy Goat]

@thinhorn_AK your were right. Apparently it was a proprietary "tungsten-based core".

Barnes Maximum Range X Bullets 30 Cal (308 Diameter) 165 Grain MRX

New super premium Maximum Range X Bullets feature a polymer tip, flatter trajectory and greater retained energy at long range. Patented Silvex core...

www.midwayusa.com

That's interesting, I figured on a 30 cal that would be 250 gr at minimum, and more similar in length to a 165.


Apparently I'm late to the table with my ideer.

 

[Rick M.]

Well, Hevi sucks. They sell marketing, and are really elusive as to what you get. The stuff looks like welding slag when you actually get their heavier stuff, ranges in size a bunch.

TSS is pretty nice, but I don't need to turn this into a enviro-metal bash......

At the time I had only used lead shot, and the Hevi was all that was left on the shelves. I guess that's why .

It took care of business in the grouse woods though.

 

[Tmac]

I use both. Almost 1/2 of each. I don’t use the fragmenting lead core stuff often, mostly because I hunt for meat most of the time. It’s meat damage I seek to avoid, not fear of lead. All that said, when I choose to hunt for horns, it’s usually what ever lead bullet the rifle likes most, even if a fragmenting design.

 

[Rob5589]

The victim card is weak, very weak. Simple question....do you believe what the CDC reported about COVID, the vaccine, etc?

From bullet choice to cdc and covid

 

[Newtosavage]

Shit, I’ve been sitting at Bass pro all day with my left hand on a box of monos and my right hand on lead just waiting for the answer. Then someone said I can’t kill elk with a 270win, so now I’m just standin here with my thumb up my arse feeling dumb.

That's a lie.

Everyone knows Bass Pro doesn't have any bullets.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

@thinhorn_AK your were right. Apparently it was a proprietary "tungsten-based core".

Barnes Maximum Range X Bullets 30 Cal (308 Diameter) 165 Grain MRX

New super premium Maximum Range X Bullets feature a polymer tip, flatter trajectory and greater retained energy at long range. Patented Silvex core...

www.midwayusa.com

I was just digging around I’m sure I have a box or 2 of them somewhere.

 

[Shraggs]

There is a pretty decent debate (IMHO) on the value (or drawbacks to) “peer reviewed” - so I’m with you.


I agree. I think though that it would be next to impossible to get that type of study - due to costs and ethics. But we have plenty of studies that are less than as rigorous as your (logical) suggestion but the vast population points to and relies upon them. And for much shorter time periods. (Statins? One of the most prescribed drugs, with the longest study being 5 years and only demonstrating - at best - one added day to your life.) Like my earlier comment, that doesn’t mean a study which isn’t *ideal* is meaningless. But if you do a few (ahem, again, statins) and the closest to ideal points in one direction, that is still evidence to consider - fwiw.

I don’t want to derail this thread topic - but you’re way off base on statins adding one more day off life. The heart protection study was 20000 patients and more than 10 years. 4 arms and a control…

Believe what you want, with over two dozen controlled FDA approved published studies over many products and a half century, for every 1% of ldl cholesterol lowering regardless of what lowers it there was a corresponding RISK of suffering a cardiovascular event including mortality due to such events. Statins are just the most efficient lowering methods.

Any new company wanting to bring another statin, blood pressure or diabetes drug to market today must not only prove its efficacy in lowering, it’s safe in relation to benefits and trails must include “outcomes” which if you lower ldl because that reduces risk, you must prove it (expressed as events) beyond lowering alone. No assumptions allowed.

Pm me if you want to throw down so this stays on topic

 

[PNWGATOR]

There is ZERO reason to use a mono for killing anything.

ZERO!

Focus your efforts on changing the law if you live in a leftist sh!thole.

 

[z987k]

There's these guys using a compressed powdered copper core to solve the expansion issue. I'd imagine they're rather explosive. It's lead free, but very much not a mono.

DRT Ammo | Proprietary Lead‑Free Bullet Technology

Learn about DRT Ammo’s proprietary bullet tech—safe, nontoxic lead‑free design that delivers consistent expansion, high accuracy, and peak performance.

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[z987k]

Here's another lead free bullet that is not a mono. They're using tin.

RWS Evolution Green | RWS Ammunition

Excellent stopping power, especially at longer ranges: RWS EVOLUTION GREEN is a lead-free part fragmentation bullet. Lean more here!

rws-ammunition.com

 

[fngTony]

Let’s keep this as a quality ballistic comparison or lead contamination thread. Please leave out anything about leftist/communist states or covid fauci conspiracy theories. Don’t just post to rant and vent frustration.