Meeker Colorado Wolf Attack

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@JustSomeGuy35

Wolves slaughter 19 elk in Wyoming | CNN

A pack of wolves slaughtered a herd of elk in one night, Wyoming wildlife officials said Friday.

www.cnn.com

Read deeper into this, there’s more talked about other than the 19 elk killed

It’s a lie that wolves don’t kill just for fun

On March 23, 2016, a pack of wolves descended on a herd of elk near Bondurant and slaughtered 19 elk, including 17 calves and two pregnant cows.

www.jhnewsandguide.com

Interesting read

Eleven Years with Wolves - What We've Learned

idfg.idaho.gov

Here’s some sheep also

Wolves spook sheep into 'pile-up' in the Boise Foothills, 143 die

“[The wolves] didn’t consume anything,” Rancher Frank Shirts said in a press release from the IRRC. “The sheep just suffocated in the pileup and died. We work to make things good for those sheep every day, so it’s a shame to lose them.”

www.boisestatepublicradio.org

Wolves kill sheep in Bighorns - Pinedale, Wyoming

Pinedale Online. Visitor information, news, links to area information and businesses.

www.pinedaleonline.com

Montana Wolves Kill 120 Sheep

In one incident, three adult wolves massacre an entire herd of purebreed sheep in Montana, raising tensions between conservationists and ranchers

www.backpacker.com

WOLVES KILL 36 SHEEP WISCONSIN | EHUNTR

WOLVES KILL 36 SHEEP WISCONSIN - "Wolves only kill what they need". At least that is what pro-wolf groups want you to believe.

www.ehuntr.com

Cattle

Wolves attack cattle, elk near Yellowstone

On a cool spring night near Absarokee, Montana, last week, 28 replacement heifers were grazing a pasture when wolves descended on them, running the young cows through three fences.

www.thefencepost.com

There’s plenty more out there to read if you want

No doubt. If you can't find that information you just aren't trying.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Right, attacking my character. Well done!

If you'd left out the derogatory (though funny) comments, I would have been able to take your post serious. But you discredited all your valid opinions the moment you decided to try and offend me. I don't have time for that so....

Good day to you!

Well at least you have a sense of humor… what is rokslide for if not talking crap on the internet to strangers and ruining hunting units by guys posting all the big bucks and bulls they kill in easy to draw spots haha

 

[JustSomeGuy35]

No doubt. If you can't find that information you just aren't trying.

Wait....you expected me to search for Idaho, MT, and WI wolf problems when we're discussing Colorado? You're right, I wasn't trying to find that information.

Good job.

 

[Gargantuan]

Reintroduction will do nothing but decimate cervid populations. Man has unfortunately altered (almost) all of the planet to human preferences. There is no closing Pandora’s box. It’s a completely different landscape from when wolves roamed freely through this part of the world.

 

[JustSomeGuy35]

@JustSomeGuy35

Wolves slaughter 19 elk in Wyoming | CNN

A pack of wolves slaughtered a herd of elk in one night, Wyoming wildlife officials said Friday.

www.cnn.com

Read deeper into this, there’s more talked about other than the 19 elk killed

It’s a lie that wolves don’t kill just for fun

On March 23, 2016, a pack of wolves descended on a herd of elk near Bondurant and slaughtered 19 elk, including 17 calves and two pregnant cows.

www.jhnewsandguide.com

Here’s some sheep also

Wolves spook sheep into 'pile-up' in the Boise Foothills, 143 die

“[The wolves] didn’t consume anything,” Rancher Frank Shirts said in a press release from the IRRC. “The sheep just suffocated in the pileup and died. We work to make things good for those sheep every day, so it’s a shame to lose them.”

www.boisestatepublicradio.org

Wolves kill sheep in Bighorns - Pinedale, Wyoming

Pinedale Online. Visitor information, news, links to area information and businesses.

www.pinedaleonline.com

Montana Wolves Kill 120 Sheep

In one incident, three adult wolves massacre an entire herd of purebreed sheep in Montana, raising tensions between conservationists and ranchers

www.backpacker.com

WOLVES KILL 36 SHEEP WISCONSIN | EHUNTR

WOLVES KILL 36 SHEEP WISCONSIN - "Wolves only kill what they need". At least that is what pro-wolf groups want you to believe.

www.ehuntr.com

Cattle

Wolves attack cattle, elk near Yellowstone

On a cool spring night near Absarokee, Montana, last week, 28 replacement heifers were grazing a pasture when wolves descended on them, running the young cows through three fences.

www.thefencepost.com

There’s plenty more out there to read if you want

The 2 articles about the 19 elk killed is interesting to me because apparently this happened at a specific area where the elk were being fed by contractors. I wonder if there is something to that or some lesson to be learned? That's a serious question btw.

The 2005 article from IDFG is also interesting. It doesn't support the majority of people's opinions on here. I'm willing to accept that it's outdated info if you guys want me to though.

The article about the 143 sheep pile up doesn't move the needle for me at all though. Dumb farm animals do dumb ass things. I don't think the state should need to reimburse at full value for a situation like that. That's just my opinion.

I haven't read thru the other stuff yet but I will. Once again, I appreciate you posting these articles. Maybe some of the others will catch on, drop the emotional appeals, and start backing up their opinions with sources too. By doing so, we'll all be smarter for it!

 

[JustSomeGuy35]

100% exact TRUTH! These wolves have been honed over time and latitude to be bigger and stronger. They selectively bred to be deadly moose killers. Elk and deer don’t stand a chance.

And the BS about wolves killing the sick and the weak is laughable. Sure they will if that’s what is in front of them. Almost 30 years ago I went in my first out of state hunt to Saskatchewan for black bear. The outfit was basically bear hunting to be scouting for deer. Their shed barn was the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. I noticed a large number of full rack in velvet, and some with dates on them of July-December. These were all B&C class bucks. PRIME specimens of health. They were also wolf kills.

Wolves kill whatever they want, whenever they want and if you (not you the poster I am replying to but a “you” in general of those that hold the twisted Disney view) don’t understand that, you don’t spend much time in the wilderness. You are clueless and sadly mistaken.

Wolves make ungulate populations crash. Once they kill everything they move on or die off. Massive population swings are
No good. Hunters take the surplus and keep ungulate populations stable, or at least regulated.

That outfit in Saskatchewan killed every wolf they could find and there was a trapper that took out all of them he could and that is how they kept high quality, populations, and success for their clients.

I didn't see this earlier. Do you have any sources for your opinion or is it based solely on what you were told by a nameless outfit in Canada?

You should read the article from IDFG that Hunt4lyf posted. The author specifically addresses some of the claims you've made.

 

[Hunt4lyf]

@JustSomeGuy35 I almost didn't include the Idaho link because it is so old and likely rather irrelevant, and one would think outdated but what I found most interesting are the numbers below. Elk took the brunt of it with the calves getting hit the hardest. I would like to see number from a new study.

"During that period, Husseman examined 120 wolf kills, comprised of elk (77%) and deer (23%). Wolves selected for elk calves (60%) but also killed cows (32%) and bulls (8%). Deer taken by wolves were mostly fawns (65%)."

One thing they've found in the Vail area is cow elk with calves, once bumped 7 times 30% of their calves died and once bumped 10 times all the calves died. What happens when Colorado's elk, not used to an apex predator, encounter wolves when nursing and the wolves run them off? The wolves may not find the calves but they are dead regardless.

Americans' love of hiking has driven elk to the brink, scientists say

Trail use near Vail, Colorado, has more than doubled since 2009. It’s had a devastating impact on a herd of elk

www.theguardian.com

I don't know of many people who believe the CPW is telling the truth on real elk herd numbers, rather most everyone believes the numbers are inflated. It's anecdotal but the area I've hunted since 2007 and have killed a tone of elk in, I've watched the elk herd decline, I used to hunt a day or two and be able to get a cow every time I had the tag, now it's a struggle to find elk let alone kill one. I believe the elk numbers are inflated.

In 2006 Colorado's deer herd was 600,000 and the last number I could find from 2020 it was 418,000. Uncontrolled human growth on winter range, fragmented tracts of land, drought, CWD, a human population that is larger than Wyoming, Montana and Idaho combined and now another apex predator along with an out of control bear and lion population, well, it doesn't bode well for Colorado's wildlife.

Also, there will NEVER be management by hunters in this state like in other states, they are already doing their best to ban lion and bear hunting, forget about hunting wolves.

 

[Newtosavage]

Wolves are rampant serial murderers, it's been well documented that they frequently kill small herds of elk in their entirety, wipe out the whole herd, kill them just to do it and eat zero meat.

Well, CO does have an overpopulation of elk in some areas... Other things will eat the meat. Nothing goes to waste in nature.

 

[JustSomeGuy35]

I'm interested in hearing your position and opinion on the subject at hand if you'd care to share it.

Prepare to be underwhelmed. Here is my position and opinion on the subject of wolf introduction in Colorado:

I don't know. I'm still learning about the issue.

Hahahahaha



Alright, now that I'm finished with my big reveal, let me dispel any ideas that I'm trolling you guys. These are the reasons why I've suddenly started commenting on these threads after reading them for almost 4 years:

1. These wolf threads, regardless of which state is involved, are just one big echo chamber. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that you guys have been polishing your anti-wolf opinions on each other. You all need dissenting opinions to get your brain juices flowing, otherwise, you're just repeating the same uninsightful crap the last guy said, and so on and so on.

2. The majority of the opinions in these threads are supported by nothing more than anecdotes. "Somebody saw this", "I don't see as many elk as I used to", etc etc. One man's perspective or experience doesn't make a fact. One rancher's experience doesn't make a fact. A group or organization's claims, that have a financial incentive to exaggerate, can't make a fact worth listening to. You can't expect anyone with a basic understanding of science and making persuasive arguments, accept anecdotal evidence as fact.

3. No one, except for Hunt4lyf, has ever bothered to even try and support their arguments with linked sources. Not just this thread either. I specifically ask people to provide sources but they never do. Why is that? Maybe it's because their sources don't exist outside of this forum or outside of "this guy/friend/outfit told me..".

4. Going on a hunting forum that is viewable by the general public and promoting unethical hunting and illegal activities is retarded. It's even worse when a quick search thru their post history shows them to be hypocrites as well. Ethics apply whether it's a wolf or an elk. It's that simple.

5. No one has offered up any verifiable evidence that wolves are going to wipe out all the elk and deer. Yet so many have made that claim in these threads. Why is that? I'm sure there has been specific, small areas where wolf predation was devastating but how does that relate to an entire state or region? Is 19 dead elk in Bondurant a reflection of what's happening in the entire state of Wyoming? If so, prove it using numbers, statistics, anything.

6. Academically speaking, I find wolves fascinating. When I worked, fished and hunted in Alaska, I had hoped to see one. Never did though, just tracks. They're pretty reclusive and shy, according to what I've read.

7. I research stuff as a hobby and as an occasional profession. Mostly business, agricultural and sometimes legal stuff but learning about wildlife has been my lifelong hobby. I don't construct arguments based on anecdotes. Nobody with half of a brain would pay me for that. I get paid to research things from an objective viewpoint and construct proposals based on valid information. It's up to me to determine what's valid and that expertise is why I get paid for it.

8. I can see centuries old hysteria in all of these threads. Crack open a history book from Europe and you'll see the same arguments that existed 500 years ago. Difference is, they were allegedly being eaten by wolves, not just their pets.

9. Human activities (an all encompassing generalization) are what's screwing up your hunting. Wolves are mainly just the fall guys for why you don't see as many critters as you used to. Don't believe me? Then Challenge it and see if I don't bombard your ass with months worth of reading. Like I said before, research is my hobby that I occasionally get paid to do.

10. I genuinely want to know if wolves are any where near as harmful to the environment as many of you claim they are. That's why I ask for sources and try to calm the hysteria. If they are as bad as you all make them out to be, then construct an argument with valid data that we can bombard officials with. Polish that argument here and we can make it a group effort. But if you all continue to support your arguments with weak, invalid data (anecdotes and isolated events) then nothing is ever going to change because no one is going to listen outside of this echo chamber. That's the facts, Jack.

Alright, I think I'm done with this thread. My hands hurt from typing and I doubt the effort will be appreciated by most of you. You all got your answers though.

Adios

 

[JustSomeGuy35]

@JustSomeGuy35 I almost didn't include the Idaho link because it is so old and likely rather irrelevant, and one would think outdated but what I found most interesting are the numbers below. Elk took the brunt of it with the calves getting hit the hardest. I would like to see number from a new study.

"During that period, Husseman examined 120 wolf kills, comprised of elk (77%) and deer (23%). Wolves selected for elk calves (60%) but also killed cows (32%) and bulls (8%). Deer taken by wolves were mostly fawns (65%)."

One thing they've found in the Vail area is cow elk with calves, once bumped 7 times 30% of their calves died and once bumped 10 times all the calves died. What happens when Colorado's elk, not used to an apex predator, encounter wolves when nursing and the wolves run them off? The wolves may not find the calves but they are dead regardless.

Americans' love of hiking has driven elk to the brink, scientists say

Trail use near Vail, Colorado, has more than doubled since 2009. It’s had a devastating impact on a herd of elk

www.theguardian.com

I don't know of many people who believe the CPW is telling the truth on real elk herd numbers, rather most everyone believes the numbers are inflated. It's anecdotal but the area I've hunted since 2007 and have killed a tone of elk in, I've watched the elk herd decline, I used to hunt a day or two and be able to get a cow every time I had the tag, now it's a struggle to find elk let alone kill one. I believe the elk numbers are inflated.

In 2006 Colorado's deer herd was 600,000 and the last number I could find from 2020 it was 418,000. Uncontrolled human growth on winter range, fragmented tracts of land, drought, CWD, a human population that is larger than Wyoming, Montana and Idaho combined and now another apex predator along with an out of control bear and lion population, well, it doesn't bode well for Colorado's wildlife.

Also, there will NEVER be management by hunters in this state like in other states, they are already doing their best to ban lion and bear hunting, forget about hunting wolves.

You really hit the nail on the head and I agree with you 100%. I wouldn't be surprised if the CPW or any other organization lies about animal numbers. Wherever there is incentive to do so, humans are prone to cheating.

The figures you quoted about bumping elk is very interesting to me. Reminds me of a 2x2 buck I saw in a 3 pt minimum gmu on opening day a long time ago. He was so stressed out that he walked right past me and my dad, along with about 5 other hunters, with glazed eyes and foam all over him. We were coming out of the woods and he was walking along the logging road, oblivious to all of us or past the point of caring. Looked about half dead.

Thanks for responding back with more information! Have a goodnight, brother!

 

[Hunt4lyf]

You really hit the nail on the head and I agree with you 100%. I wouldn't be surprised if the CPW or any other organization lies about animal numbers. Wherever there is incentive to do so, humans are prone to cheating.

The figures you quoted about bumping elk is very interesting to me. Reminds me of a 2x2 buck I saw in a 3 pt minimum gmu on opening day a long time ago. He was so stressed out that he walked right past me and my dad, along with about 5 other hunters, with glazed eyes and foam all over him. We were coming out of the woods and he was walking along the logging road, oblivious to all of us or past the point of caring. Looked about half dead.

Thanks for responding back with more information! Have a goodnight, brother!

You got it and with this post I’m done also, these wolf threads are tiring.

 

[Where's Bruce?]

Our forefathers were much smarter than people today...wiping out the wolves was necessary. Pinheads are pro-wolf reintroduction and likely never leave the city. The sound of a wolf in the woods in real life would have them shitting themselves.

One day they'll be seen in the city and then these same people will be screaming something must be done.

 

[JustSomeGuy35]

Our forefathers were much smarter than people today...wiping out the wolves was necessary. Pinheads are pro-wolf reintroduction and likely never leave the city. The sound of a wolf in the woods in real life would have them shitting themselves.

Nice take on the situation but I'm gonna have to ask you for sources on it. I need to see the shitty drawers, Bruce. Hahaha

 

[WeiserBucks]

You really hit the nail on the head and I agree with you 100%. I wouldn't be surprised if the CPW or any other organization lies about animal numbers. Wherever there is incentive to do so, humans are prone to cheating.

The figures you quoted about bumping elk is very interesting to me. Reminds me of a 2x2 buck I saw in a 3 pt minimum gmu on opening day a long time ago. He was so stressed out that he walked right past me and my dad, along with about 5 other hunters, with glazed eyes and foam all over him. We were coming out of the woods and he was walking along the logging road, oblivious to all of us or past the point of caring. Looked about half dead.

Thanks for responding back with more information! Have a goodnight, brother!

Thanks for the detailed response. I don't agree but it's obvious that you have done some homework to reach your conclusions. I can't produce any documentation, just real life experiences that the folks here can believe or not.

 

[Newtosavage]

Our forefathers were much smarter than people today...wiping out the wolves was necessary. Pinheads are pro-wolf reintroduction and likely never leave the city. The sound of a wolf in the woods in real life would have them shitting themselves.

Our forefathers also owned slaves, wouldn't let women vote, promoted smoking as "good for you" and dumped toxic chemicals straight into rivers. Still think they were smarter?

 

[Steve O]

I didn't see this earlier. Do you have any sources for your opinion or is it based solely on what you were told by a nameless outfit in Canada?

You should read the article from IDFG that Hunt4lyf posted. The author specifically addresses some of the claims you've made.

No thanks. I’ll trust what I’ve seen with my own eyes in Alaska, Yukon, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. You might do less reading and more time observing first hand.

 

[Where's Bruce?]

Our forefathers also owned slaves, wouldn't let women vote, promoted smoking as "good for you" and dumped toxic chemicals straight into rivers. Still think they were smarter?

Not much for history are ya? Wolf eradication was completed in the mid 20th century...well after slave abolishment. And the Forefathers from those slave days were not dumping toxins like we have in the past 100 years. Read more-post less...don't advertise ignorance.

 

[JustSomeGuy35]

No thanks. I’ll trust what I’ve seen with my own eyes in Alaska, Yukon, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. You might do less reading and more time observing first hand.

Observing wolves? Are they really so prevalent that I can just visit these places and see them in action? I've spent a considerable amount of time in Alaska, Washington, and Wisconsin and never saw wolves. So you've seen wolves slaughter animals in all these locations? Or did someone tell you about it in each of those locations?

No one's ever told me to pursue less education (reading). That's a new one and pretty funny.

 

[Newtosavage]

Not much for history are ya? Wolves eradication was completed in the mid 20th century...well after slave abolishment. And the Forefathers from those slave days were not dumping toxins like we have in the past 100 years. Read more-post less...don't advertise ignorance.

LOL. You have yourself convinced. Carry on.

 

[Sled]

Some of these comments about Lenny don’t seem to be in line with the lessons learned from the illegal dirt bike riding thread…

Hey man, you haven't even heard the wolves side of the story. Maybe it was all a mistake. Maybe the calves were misbranded, which created confusion on the wolves part.