MAP - Public Lands for Sale in US Senate Bill

[Poser]

I would like to invite all of you NRs complaining about hunting tags to take summer backpacking trip out West. Bring your fishing rods. Bring your glassing setup. Hike a section of the Continental Divide, explore a new state, experience the mountain West in the summer.

If you are only experiences these public lands for hunting and you're only doing that on a limited basis, you're missing out big time. Its a life recalibrating experience on par with any hunting trip you'll do.

 

[COelk89]

Show me a parcel of poorly managed BLM or Forest land, I will find 2 dozen pieces of shit private parcels in Texas that have been run onto the ground.

 

[Poser]

If you live here, you are fully aware another big part of the "housing crisis" is second homes, corporate/PE rentals, and airbnbs.

Absolutely.

 

[tdhanses]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve gathered you don’t live in a western state.. what exactly do you think you, or any other American, actually stands to gain from this? We’ve already established it’s not going to even put a dent in the debt, so that’s off the table. We’re still buying this fairytale that it will actually be used for “affordable housing?”

No I’m not a resident but do own property, truthfully we have a bunch of federal lands that we just don’t need imo, so I’m ok selling some off, obviously I’m not ok selling off a majority of it but there are a ton of acres that the states should pay to manage as it’s their residents and corporations that are utilizing them and very little to no nonresidents.

You add up a bunch of little things and they will make a difference.

 

[COelk89]

Absolutely.

And if the land goes up for sale. PE will be the first buyers in line. It is a manufactured crisis. Anyone with Onx look at parcels adjacent to forest land. Half of the large parcels are already some time of investment outfit with a NY mailing address. Smh

 

[tdhanses]

You sound like the type that just throws in the towel when the going gets tough.

“Ehhh it’ll happen one day anyway so why care or fight”

I’m glad we didn’t act like that in 1776


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Haha, nope I just see the benefits to be had, residents just don’t want to pay up to utilize a resource others pay for, I get it change is hard and hard to see any positive to a change one is used to.

 

[tdhanses]

Who here did any of that though? You’re creating a straw man to be arguing against. Who here didn’t speak up for those things? Like where is this coming from? It’s bizarre.

Go back and read through any WY thread, it’s not directly within this thread, actually maybe look at any western state thread on reducing nonresident opportunities and increasing prices so residents can keep cheap tags, not fund their wildlife departments and constantly complain.

 

[tdhanses]

I agree its not an important issue, but if they have to start ripping this bill apart, the public land issue could come out. Zinke has stated he won't approve the bill with this section in it.

Meanwhile, Republican Rep. Ryan Zinke (Mont.) has also spoken out against the plan.
“I have said from day one I would not support a bill that sells public lands,” he wrote Wednesday on X. “I am still a no on the senate reconciliation bill that sells public lands.”

If his heels are truly dug in on this issue, that one republican vote could stop the whole bill from passing. It sounds as if there are at least a handful of other republicans who won't approve this as well. I don't know if its a hill they are willing to die on or not, but there are other issues in the bill that some Republicans seem prepared to take a MAGA bullet for.

If they want to address the tax code, they may have to suck it up and do a stand alone bill. That will definitely result in Trump retaliation of some sort, but it may not be near as consequential as it was just 2 weeks ago. Some of these Western senators and congressman could definitely get voted out in 2026 if they vote "yes" on a bill that sells off public lands.

Personally I think one big bill is a bad idea and the really important issues should be stand alone but then nothing would ever get completed.

Zinke says that until they have a meeting and he changes his tune at the last minute, maybe they remove this but maybe not.

 

[tdhanses]

Let’s visualize, ok we sold ALL our public lands to pay down .5% of our debt

30 days later the interest rate washes the pay down away and we right back to 36T. Now what do we sell? Our rivers?

Our monetary problems require serious spending changes to ever resolve, anything different is just for show to get reelected as if they’re trying.

Every bill they pass is a new SPENDING bill with a catchy name. I’ve never heard of a savings bill

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Don’t forget to remove all federal spending to maintain the land and include the property taxes states will receive, it’s not just about the initial funds received for a sale. Plus the tax rev from utilizing the resources, once it’s privatized road networks can be expanded to get to the resources that today we can’t utilize.

 

[tdhanses]

I would like to invite all of you NRs complaining about hunting tags to take summer backpacking trip out West. Bring your fishing rods. Bring your glassing setup. Hike a section of the Continental Divide, explore a new state, experience the mountain West in the summer.

If you are only experiences these public lands for hunting and you're only doing that on a limited basis, you're missing out big time. Its a life recalibrating experience on par with any hunting trip you'll do.

But why wouldn’t we be able to still do that if we only sell 1% of federal lands?

 

[CoMulies]

Go back and read through any WY thread, it’s not directly within this thread, actually maybe look at any western state thread on reducing nonresident opportunities and increasing prices so residents can keep cheap tags, not fund their wildlife departments and constantly complain.

Why are you people so incapable of distinguishing between tag opportunity for state managed wildlife and federal land that every single American is free to access lmao. It’s absolutely exhausting

 

[Poser]

once it’s privatized road networks can be expanded to get to the resources that today we can’t utilize.

No doubt, those private HOA roads will be super beneficial.

 

[tdhanses]

Why are you people so incapable of distinguishing between tag opportunity for state managed wildlife and federal land that every single American is free to access lmao. It’s absolutely exhausting

Because if we lose federal lands, it really doesn’t effect the majority, but as soon as this issue comes up every resident comes calling for support, look at your states ballot initiative that will eventually ban hunting in CO, look at the group fighting to keep it at bay and who has funded 87% of the fight, nonresidents. So yup, we are incapable, which is why residents need to actually care enough to pay their own way and manage their wildlife, they prefer cheap tags, access to millions and millions of acres and having nonresidents fund their wildlife management.

As soon as any issue comes up it’s everyone contact your representatives, help us.

 

[tdhanses]

No doubt, those private HOA roads will be super beneficial.

Doubt they will be to residents but to large corporations they’ll have no issues. I could see LOA’s having mutual agreements for access for owners.

 

[CoMulies]

Because if we lose federal lands, it really doesn’t effect the majority, but as soon as this issue comes up every resident comes calling for support, look at your states ballot initiative that will eventually ban hunting in CO, look at the group fighting to keep it at bay and who has funded 87% of the fight, nonresidents. So yup, we are incapable, which is why residents need to actually care enough to pay their own way and manage their wildlife, they prefer cheap tags, access to millions and millions of acres and having nonresidents fund their wildlife management.

As soon as any issue comes up it’s everyone contact your representatives, help us.

Even in your response you continue conflate the two topics lmao. I’m done with this

 

[COelk89]

No I’m not a resident but do own property, truthfully we have a bunch of federal lands that we just don’t need imo, so I’m ok selling some off, obviously I’m not ok selling off a majority of it but there are a ton of acres that the states should pay to manage as it’s their residents and corporations that are utilizing them and very little to no nonresidents.

You add up a bunch of little things and they will make a difference.

Yeah national and international energy companies don't utilize federal lands...I am sure your lights have never been powered by coal or gas from federal land. You probably have never eaten beef that grazed on federal lands. You are a DA!

 

[tdhanses]

Even in your response you continue conflate the two topics lmao. I’m done with this

It’s two separate topics to you but to most nonresidents they are one in the same, we can’t vote on state issues but we can on federal.

 

[tdhanses]

Yeah national and international energy companies don't utilize federal lands...I am sure your lights have never been powered by coal or gas from federal land. You probably have never eaten beef that grazed on federal lands. You are a DA!

They do but not at 100% of capabilities, where you hunt are there any overgrown logging roads with dead trees and blow down?

Beef that grazed on federal lands with dirt cheap leases, yup I have.

 

[COelk89]

Chevron, ExxonMobil, shell, conoco, yeah those are state companies...all large landowners right out my back door of lands that were formerly federal. And all large mineral right holders on federal land.

 

[PLhunter]

Go back and read through any WY thread, it’s not directly within this thread, actually maybe look at any western state thread on reducing nonresident opportunities and increasing prices so residents can keep cheap tags, not fund their wildlife departments and constantly complain.

This is a great topic for making a new thread. I mean that genuinely. Because it bothers me as well. However, I personally can’t fathom having my public land advocacy attached strictly to tags. I also think of that as an issue that can be improved upon eventually. More places to hunt will only help with that conversation. Less public hunting area will make people even more protective. We can move the needle for nonresident tags public land loss is permanent.