LS Wild Armory: any interest in Semi Custom Tikkas?

[hereinaz]

Good points.

Validation is an unknown, you are right. I think the market is more open to it with the “your groups are too small” movement. We’ll see what Rokslide votes.

@NSI has a project going that relates, but is way more awesome. I’m doing a common man’s Tikka.

You are right on with the video to explain the process.

I have a 22 Creedmoor Barrel and Tikka set aside to video the whole process of barrel swap, group validation, and use as a sample/demo.

 

[DisplacedHusky]

I like the concept and I see that you are using Preferred Barrels. How does your operation differ from me purchasing a Tikka on Eurooptic and shipping it to PPB, picking my custom prefit and have them spinning it on for $150?

 

[cowdisciple]

Just for the sake of discussion, what would a fair accuracy validation standard be? And what percent of barrels would we expect to fail it?

I guess my initial line of thinking is that you'd need to price in a fair bit for your time to take it to the range and shoot it, plus the cost of enough ammo to make the test meaningful. And that given how much you'd likely have to add to make that pencil out, I might prefer to just roll the dice.

 

[cowdisciple]

This is the value proposition that I think might make the most sense: we agree that you're not going to validate the accuracy of the barrel and that I'm taking the risk that it is just a randomly sucky barrel, and it's priced accordingly.

If I can't get it to shoot to a standard I think is acceptable, and I'm absolutely convinced the problem is the barrel itself, I'll send it back at my expense and pay for you to put on a new barrel at cost and ship it back to me at your expense.

 

[cowdisciple]

Furthermore, I bet that you could test the returned barrels and prove beyond a doubt that most of them are just fine, and put them back in stock or use them. It makes more sense to test the exceptions. And it would be an interesting experiment.

 

[WeiserBucks]

Time is money.

 

[hereinaz]

I like the concept and I see that you are using Preferred Barrels. How does your operation differ from me purchasing a Tikka on Eurooptic and shipping it to PPB, picking my custom prefit and have them spinning it on for $150?

I have some barrels in stock, you deal with one shipping cost, don’t have to order from multiple locations, and won’t charge $150 and depending on the state don’t meet the requirements to charge sales tax, yet.

And, we will do deals and sales on other gear you need.

But, yeah, the service exists elsewhere. We are making it easy, and you know exactly what to order for everything.

I hope people also support us.

 

[WeiserBucks]

None of this is uncharted territory. In stock and available for purchase will be the home run if you don't strike out.

 

[cowdisciple]

We both have an interest in auditing the error rate of the barrel manufacturer in the most cost efficient way possible. Don't audit everything; audit the exceptions.

 

[swavescatter]

I think just selling chopped/threaded tikka 223’s with properly throated chambers and extended mags would be a hit. Same with 243. The 6.5 creeds are already throated perfect from the factory.

 

[hereinaz]

Furthermore, I bet that you could test the returned barrels and prove beyond a doubt that most of them are just fine, and put them back in stock or use them. It makes more sense to test the exceptions. And it would be an interesting experiment.

I agree it will be interesting. You make good points all around. Something to consider. I want to screw around as little as possible for all our sake.

But, I know some people absolutely suck at many simple things that means they can’t shoot….

“Experienced” dudes I meet all the time suck and screw something up. Heck, happens to me too.

It’s why I would use a known system.

Probably bond the action into a chassis and spin on and off barrels. With a known scope, I won’t have to zero much with most barrels.

If I want to play the industry game and shoot a 3 shot group, I can do that if someone uses that standard. But, we know statistically 3 shots is crap.

So that isn’t fair to the customer for me to cherry pick and it isn’t fair to me if the customer can’t shoot the tiny groups he thinks it should.

Now, the PBB I have will all shoot 5 shots into 1/2ish MOA at times and 10 inside 3/4, “if so do my part.”

I’m talking about proving it with 20-30 rounds, realistic “cone” stuff here.

Don’t know how many will subscribe to that. But the industry and most people still buy into a statistically insignificant standard.

It’s hard knowing that and then deciding how to deal with it.

But, I will always be fair. Always, even though one returned barrel sucks away the profit from two other barrels. I will continue to try to make deals and hope people treat me fair.

I have fired customers before, and I will refuse to do any more business with pricks.

I am really struggling with how to do this and make it a good thing for all…

I still don’t know but I feel like I should try. Even if is is weird or hard at first.

 

[hereinaz]

We both have an interest in auditing the error rate of the barrel manufacturer in the most cost efficient way possible. Don't audit everything; audit the exceptions.

Yes

 

[hereinaz]

None of this is uncharted territory. In stock and available for purchase will be the home run if you don't strike out.

Yes, that is really the biggest key. In stock.

You all are really good for making me refine my ideas. Love it. It makes good ideas better.

 

[WeiserBucks]

I'd do my best to figure out what's actually going to sell vs shit we talk about being cool. Keep in mind that most people don't and won't reload despite what they say.

 

[WeiserBucks]

Side note: a bunch of people might jump on one and never have a need to replace it. I think long term success will be appealing to 1st time buyers much more than folks who actually smoke a barrel.

 

[hereinaz]

Both good points.

I sweat what to order.

I mostly only bought barrels to stock based on presales. Saved me from getting variations no one wanted that I thought would sell.

 

[WeiserBucks]

I mostly only bought barrels to stock based on presales. Saved me from getting variations no one wanted that I thought would sell.

Take stock in this statement. It doesn't matter what you want and it doesn't matter what I want as individuals, what's gonna sell and keep the ball rolling?

 

[hereinaz]

Take stock in this statement. It doesn't matter what you want and it doesn't matter what I want as individuals, what's gonna sell and keep the ball rolling

100% which is why I am getting feedback with these threads.

I love you are keeping it real.

 

[WeiserBucks]

I'd never tell you how to run your show, but I've seen many fail trying to sell what they prefer only to realize that there's 7 customers in the same frame of mind/financial position.

 

[MuleyFever]

Have we addressed the $ in the room?