KUIU Teton Collection

[tipsntails7]

Those are companies not softshell jackets. Better check first lite again it's not snippy just funny. You took a shot and it missed

Not that you care anymore but here you go
Whole point of a soft shell was its breathability and stretch thus why you don't see them being made via Sitka or Firstlite . Only recently have companies tried to put WPB into soft shells and those that do aren't seam sealed there for not water proof so those specs mean nothing. Most the companies you listed don't offer a true water proof breathable softshell. You want a softshell with a WTB laminate knock yourself out... Let me know how that works out for you when it actually rains, reason why real rain gear is a hard shell or hard shell variant. You are trying to compare a 3lb plus(dry) jacket to true critically seam sealed 13 oz hard shell in your analogy. This why your anology is funny and off. Thus again why First lite nor Sitka offer a softshell rain jacket.

Fact is majority of gortex is 10k/10k, majority private labeled licensed WPB are 10k/10k. Like I said it's been the gold standard for 20 plus years. Still accounts for 90 percent of the rain gear produced. Are they latest technology numbers no. But not priced like them either. Cheaper rain wear that won't have near the stretch of the higher end stuff. You won't buy it and I wouldn't buy it but it's still a decent prices rain gear

ALL of those companies make at least one softshell jacket that meets those standards.... Id say that's far from missing.

I don't run soft shells, I agree they are NOT hard shells. And I'm not trying to compare anything, just making a statement that certain companies have attained that rating with a soft shell. I believe some mountain hardwear, OR and certain neoshell softshells do have tapped seams but I would actually have to get the exact names.

Edit: first lite does not, I was mistaken.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Really where is firstlite's

 

[cuerro viejo]

Only one I can think of and they even define it as a hybrid and not a true soft shell and that's the OR's mithril jacket. Retail 250

mountain hard wear doesn't have a true WPB softshell. I know the entire line well including next years.

Their jacket that uses the softshell discription is similar to the REI mobility jacket. It's a hard shell variant

 

[realunlucky]

Not everyone will know or care about the technical details. It's Kuiu it's affordable/comparable to their current gear. They can even wear the shirt win win win

 

[tipsntails7]

Only one I can think of and they even define it as a hybrid and not a true soft shell and that's the OR's mithril jacket. Retail 250

mountain hard wear doesn't have a true WPB softshell. I know the entire line well including next years.

Their jacket that uses the softshell discription is similar to the REI mobility jacket. It's a hard shell variant

Weird they have it under the SOFT SHELL heading, they say it uses SOFT SHELL fabric, and if you've felt it ( which I'm sure you have) I'd call it a SOFT SHELL.

Either way without completely jacking up this thread none of that really matters, as I'm sure you know those numbers and the testing for it can very greatly, they also don't test the seams but a sheet of the fabric only and most of the time before printing. So as long as that fabric passes they can stamp that on there, in the real world most don't actually perform like that and in the real world everything but the top shelf breath like a black garbage bag.

If you use your rain gear once every 2 years save some money and grab some space rain or a better jacket for less off sierra trading post. If you use it for hunting, fishing, hiking, living in the PNW then save your money and get top shelf. If you want Kuiu camo we'll pick your poison.

 

[dotman]

Not everyone will know or care about the technical details. It's Kuiu it's affordable/comparable to their current gear. They can even wear the shirt win win winView attachment 26380

I got get me one of them, go great with my Kryptek and First Lite stuff

 

[nickstone]

Weird they have it under the SOFT SHELL heading, they say it uses SOFT SHELL fabric, and if you've felt it ( which I'm sure you have) I'd call it a SOFT SHELL.

Either way without completely jacking up this thread none of that really matters, as I'm sure you know those numbers and the testing for it can very greatly, they also don't test the seams but a sheet of the fabric only and most of the time before printing. So as long as that fabric passes they can stamp that on there, in the real world most don't actually perform like that and in the real world everything but the top shelf breath like a black garbage bag.

If you use your rain gear once every 2 years save some money and grab some space rain or a better jacket for less off sierra trading post. If you use it for hunting, fishing, hiking, living in the PNW then save your money and get top shelf. If you want Kuiu camo we'll pick your poison.

Just curious, what rain gear do you use? You get a decent amount of rain up in Humboldt don't you?

 

[tipsntails7]

Recently we have not but most years we do. I grew up in Portland, and hunted and fished from humboldt to the pudget sound, and worked on a logging crew in the cascades for a few years.

I've got ALOT of rain jackets. Arc'teryx, columbia, rivers west, mountain hardwear. the original chugach has been a great piece of gear and if i could only own one I would grab the new chugach. I've yet to put my hands on the yukon so I cannot say for certain and the first lite looks good as well. If you can do without camo you can get a lot more jacket for the money.

The arcteryx is BOMB proof and they have replaced it once as well no questions asked. It's an older version that I'm not sure they carry anymore, I used it as a choke setter in the cascades for 3 years. But it's crazy expensive, and does not breath as well as others, but I doubt you could wear it out.

If money is not a concern I would get the new chugach NX. The original is as good as anything I've tried including Event so if the new lives up to the specs it would be a damn fine jacket.

If your on a budget I would troll sierra trading for something in a neutral tone from mountain hardwear with dry q. It's basically Event which I feel is better then goretex. Feel free to PM me if you have anymore questions, Texan and I may bicker but he also is a guy with a lot of knowledge about this stuff, most likely more then myself.

 

[nickstone]

Thanks a bunch. I'm waiting on an Ampato dry q elite from sierra trading post to come in the mail now

 

[ofl0926]

I'm debating of ordering the Teton pants. How do you guys think they would compare to the attack pants? I've those on back order lol

 

[cuerro viejo]

Weird they have it under the SOFT SHELL heading, they say it uses SOFT SHELL fabric, and if you've felt it ( which I'm sure you have) I'd call it a SOFT SHELL.

Either way without completely jacking up this thread none of that really matters, as I'm sure you know those numbers and the testing for it can very greatly, they also don't test the seams but a sheet of the fabric only and most of the time before printing. So as long as that fabric passes they can stamp that on there, in the real world most don't actually perform like that and in the real world everything but the top shelf breath like a black garbage bag.

If you use your rain gear once every 2 years save some money and grab some space rain or a better jacket for less off sierra trading post. If you use it for hunting, fishing, hiking, living in the PNW then save your money and get top shelf. If you want Kuiu camo we'll pick your poison.

We can go round and round until its sept.
They use softshell not in the tradition sense...
A)Traditional soft shell has 50 cfm breathability. Anything with a WPB is .5cfm
B) they use soft shell to describe a stretch fabric. Compare those jackets to a traditional softshell totally different jacket and Fabric type

I agree with you bottom statement lots of great non hunting brand rain wear out there. Especially non goretex stuff

 

[cuerro viejo]

I'm debating of ordering the Teton pants. How do you guys think they would compare to the attack pants? I've those on back order lol

If you don't have to have camo Kuhl has a better pant (renegade) at similar price point to teton. Two best things Kuiu makes the ch NX rain wear and attack pants IMO.

 

[MuleyFever]

Thanks a bunch. I'm waiting on an Ampato dry q elite from sierra trading post to come in the mail now

Grab some Eddie Bauer Guides that are on sale now. I would wear them over the Teton.

 

[tipsntails7]

We can go round and round until its sept.
They use softshell not in the tradition sense...
A)Traditional soft shell has 50 cfm breathability. Anything with a WPB is .5cfm
B) they use soft shell to describe a stretch fabric. Compare those jackets to a traditional softshell totally different jacket and Fabric type

I agree with you bottom statement lots of great non hunting brand rain wear out there. Especially non goretex stuff

Agree with you and technically your right, to me there are traditional hardshells an then there are hybrids then there are softshells. Tuff to distinguish a line. I just base my opinion on the characteristics of wear. I'm from the thought that just because it has a membrane does not automatically disqualify it from being a softshell.

My arcteryx pro shell is a completely different jacket material and stretch then my chugach, but they are still both hardshells.

 

[AZ Ron]

I'm debating of ordering the Teton pants. How do you guys think they would compare to the attack pants? I've those on back order lol

From what I've heard/read about the Teton pants, they lack hip vents, dwr coating, and are only 2 way stretch. Supposedly fabric weight is similar to the attacks??? Attacks are great pants, IMO.

Someone mentioned kuhl renegades. They are super comfy pants. I have the renegade pants and 'jeans'. They are way too swishy for me to use as hunting pants. (I guess rifle would be OK.) I haven't worn them in the field (only to work and around town), but I'd question their durability too. They are super comfortable, especially in warmer weather, and would probably make a great scouting pant.

 

[Where's Bruce?]

Classic would be over ordering and having to take a loss to move product.

More businesses go out of business from not checking their growth back thus de-valuing their product, and over extending themselves.

Key to keeping a product hot is not over extending it, at the same time reaching into other price points.

Go to a major department store like Jcpenny or Dillard's it's not the same line as what you see in speciality retailers... Same reason. Kuiu brand is not even a decade old in fact 6 years old. I only know one clothing company to exceed their growth and stay in business and that's UA. On top of that Kuiu is a true speciality company.

I'm impressed with their growth rate and model. It's shows promise for future companies entering the market place

It is clear you have never operated a product-based business that manufactures overseas. Consider this, you have X amount in funds, that number is all the money you can scrounge, beg and borrow. You have a highly quality clothing line that you cannot manufacture fast enough to maintain inventory. Customers are upset with the wait times for orders after purchasing online. Do you resolve your production problem first to secure the high profit, much in demand clothing line or fritter away financial resources creating unrelated camping products with fatal flaws that undermine your credibility? Any smart and conservative businessperson would make inventory control their priority...especially with a high growth rate. To do otherwise is foolish and irresponsible. Kuiu is a tiny boutique business and as such, needs to learn from past mistakes. I'll bet you dollars to donuts their site crashes during their next sale. The infrastructure is weak. They have lost business and upset would-be customers because of this. They promised transparency in a public message from the owner and squelch all honest criticism from their message board. At the end of the day, a company is only as good as its reputation and there are many companies competing with Kuiu that haven't adversely impacted themselves as much as Kuiu has. Hardly an example of the ideal product-based business model. JMO

 

[realunlucky]

Bruce availability is part of the allure of kuiu you feel special not everyone can have it. This is frustrating to those who want but can't have for whatever reason. This is perfect model of cash up front business to pre sale most inventory before production harder to grow through. If it drives demand up for next production run and your patient with growth it works. Eventually it'll be sold and exploited and inventory issue will be lest of its problems

 

[GibsonKuenzi]

It is clear you have never operated a product-based business that manufactures overseas. Consider this, you have X amount in funds, that number is all the money you can scrounge, beg and borrow. You have a highly quality clothing line that you cannot manufacture fast enough to maintain inventory. Customers are upset with the wait times for orders after purchasing online. Do you resolve your production problem first to secure the high profit, much in demand clothing line or fritter away financial resources creating unrelated camping products with fatal flaws that undermine your credibility? Any smart and conservative businessperson would make inventory control their priority...especially with a high growth rate. To do otherwise is foolish and irresponsible. Kuiu is a tiny boutique business and as such, needs to learn from past mistakes. I'll bet you dollars to donuts their site crashes during their next sale. The infrastructure is weak. They have lost business and upset would-be customers because of this. They promised transparency in a public message from the owner and squelch all honest criticism from their message board. At the end of the day, a company is only as good as its reputation and there are many companies competing with Kuiu that haven't adversely impacted themselves as much as Kuiu has. Hardly an example of the ideal product-based business model. JMO

I continually find it interesting how you bash the business model of Kuiu and especially their website. However the website for the company you own looks like something out of the early 90's.

I enjoy reading everyones opinions on gear, however everytime you step into a Kuiu thread and try to give everyone a business lesson it ruins the usefullness of the thread.

Maybe start a separate thread to discuss business methods so that we can keep the gear threads about gear.

-Gibson

 

[Obi-wanshinobi]

If money is not a concern I would get the new chugach NX. The original is as good as anything I've tried including Event so if the new lives up to the specs it would be a damn fine jacket.

I've got the original Chugach myself and have yet to find anything worth upgrading to. I'd actually like to find one in the old Frost Grey color.

 

[blackdog]

It is clear you have never operated a product-based business that manufactures overseas. Consider this, you have X amount in funds, that number is all the money you can scrounge, beg and borrow. You have a highly quality clothing line that you cannot manufacture fast enough to maintain inventory. Customers are upset with the wait times for orders after purchasing online. Do you resolve your production problem first to secure the high profit, much in demand clothing line or fritter away financial resources creating unrelated camping products with fatal flaws that undermine your credibility? Any smart and conservative businessperson would make inventory control their priority...especially with a high growth rate. To do otherwise is foolish and irresponsible. Kuiu is a tiny boutique business and as such, needs to learn from past mistakes. I'll bet you dollars to donuts their site crashes during their next sale. The infrastructure is weak. They have lost business and upset would-be customers because of this. They promised transparency in a public message from the owner and squelch all honest criticism from their message board. At the end of the day, a company is only as good as its reputation and there are many companies competing with Kuiu that haven't adversely impacted themselves as much as Kuiu has. Hardly an example of the ideal product-based business model. JMO

If you're so familiar with the actual Kuiu business, could you please post some numbers showing proof of how poorly you say they are doing? Oh wait...what? You don't have any of that?

Is the Kuiu business perfect? Hell no, but then what business is? Have they brought a great product to the market that has made thousands of customers around the world very happy? Absolutely! Have they pissed off a few customers along the way? Apparently they have, and it seems most of them are Rokslide members but if it were truly that big of a deal would they still be selling their products at the rate they are and being able to introduce new products all the time? How about a tiny bit of common sense gets used once in a while.