KUIU Teton Collection

[tipsntails7]

Exactly - like the Teton rain jacket is 10,000 waterproof/10,0000 breathable rather than the NX ultra which is 20,000/40,000 - both jackets under 9 ounces. You are giving up performance but for a rain shower every now that then...maybe worth it to some. I think their are other options (like the Outdoor Research Helium Ryan posted the other day) out there but certainly fit the bill for some....

I have not seen the numbers, but if that's really them that's softshell range. I wouldn't ever use that for anything.

 

[Mike7]

I don't know anything about how similar the Kuiu sleeping bags are to Marmot's, but looking at these waterproof/breathability numbers for the Teton, it would be nice to see Kuiu or maybe First Light just develop a relationship with Marmot (like Kuiu did with Zamberlan for the boots) in order to make a better line of mid price range products in camo and earth tones. If you look at the Outdoor Gear Lab, Marmot has the top rated rain jacket for every category. Here is how I envision it going in order to best serve me and other hunters who are not wanting to pay $400+ for a good set of rain gear that is not neon yellow...

Partner with Marmot to have the Essence (7 oz summer open country/scouting line), the Precip (11 oz do everthing line), and the Minimalist (15 oz Alaska/Pacific NW forest line) made in Verde or Fusion Camo and olive/coyote/grey. I believe these Marmot jackets are all >10,000 waterproof & >20,000 breathability in ratings. Sell each piece for $35 more retail price than Marmot does. Kuiu or Firstlight would still make money as they purchase the jackets from Marmot at wholesale basically, and Marmot opens up an entirely new market without alienating yuppy flower sniffers by having their name on a camo jacket. Kuiu (or Firstlight, etc.) could then focus on keeping their premium product in stock while still providing a secondary good quality product with their camo at a little lower cost?

Firstlight or Kuiu, call me if you want to hire me.

 

[Mike7]

I think that even Shrek would buy a new Marmot Precip (w/ the Nano-pro breathable membrane) in Verde Camo for $140 and love it.

 

[MuleyFever]

Precip is 10,000/17,000.

 

[tipsntails7]

There is plenty of rain gear out there in camo that is inexpensive

 

[Jeff Martin]

I have not seen the numbers, but if that's really them that's softshell range. I wouldn't ever use that for anything.

I agree, just didn't want to sound like a hater

 

[tipsntails7]

No hate, those are garbage ratings, I'd rather buy cabelas space rain if I wanted those numbers.

 

[Mike7]

Precip is 10,000/17,000.

Precip says 10,000 "minimum" as does the Essence (but Essence with higher breathability). Looking at the Outdoor Gear Lab ratings, the Precip handled everthing they threw at it apparently from a waterproof perspective, scoring a "9" out of 10 in water resistance just the same as the Minimalist which has a Gortex membrane. I personally put more stock in real people using/reviewing it, as opposed to what a company making the jacket claims. So, that makes me wonder based upon real world testing, if the precip isn't closer to a 15,000 in waterproof rating.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I have not seen the numbers, but if that's really them that's softshell range. I wouldn't ever use that for anything.

It was the gold standard for 20 plus years for waterproof breathable. Hardly softshell.

 

[tipsntails7]

It was the gold standard for 20 plus years for waterproof breathable. Hardly softshell.

So was cotton t shirts and jeans.... Does not mean it's good today.

There are softshells on the market today that attain that rating.

 

[realunlucky]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be confrontational. I know it was my first post but I have been a forum reader and followed Rokslide for a long time. I have a hard time understanding posts about products when there is no actual first had experience. It takes away from the constructive conversations about the product.

No worries and that was a sincere welcome glad your participating now. Kuiu threads can bring out the crazy from all/both sides.

 

[cuerro viejo]

So was cotton t shirts and jeans.... Does not mean it's good today.

There are softshells on the market today that attain that rating.

Which ones? this should be good.

 

[Where's Bruce?]

Interesting... Lower cost Kuiu, wondering how they will approach this without devaluing their "premium" offerings in the process. Different camo? Different materials? More basic cuts, less features?

From KUIU:

“Over the last few years I have met many hunters in our showroom, at the trade shows, or in the field, who would love to experience KUIU but were looking for a lower cost option to our premium products. Every hunter should be able to wear great gear that performs well. It was these interactions that inspired me to create the new Teton collection.”

Classic business mistake. They have a decent line of products that they cannot keep in stock and regularly roll out new, untested products while constantly failing to resolve inventory shortages of the products that are proven and in demand. They need to hire someone to run the business who understands how to operate a conservatively run product business.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Classic business mistake. They have a decent line of products that they cannot keep in stock and regularly roll out new, untested products while constantly failing to resolve inventory shortages of the products that are proven and in demand. They need to hire someone to run the business who understands how to operate a conservatively run product business.

Classic would be over ordering and having to take a loss to move product.

More businesses go out of business from not checking their growth back thus de-valuing their product, and over extending themselves.

Key to keeping a product hot is not over extending it, at the same time reaching into other price points.

Go to a major department store like Jcpenny or Dillard's it's not the same line as what you see in speciality retailers... Same reason. Kuiu brand is not even a decade old in fact 6 years old. I only know one clothing company to exceed their growth and stay in business and that's UA. On top of that Kuiu is a true speciality company.

I'm impressed with their growth rate and model. It's shows promise for future companies entering the market place

 

[westside elkhunter]

So who ordered what out of the Teton Line? So far I just ordered the short sleeve shirt

 

[tipsntails7]

Which ones? this should be good.

I'm unconcerned with your opinion, and by your snippy "this should be good" comment this won't actually be a conversation because you clearly seem to know it all.

Simms, north face, outdoor research, First lite, mammut, westcomb, marmot, just to name a few. I'm sure that there is a ton more in Europe that I'm unaware of.

Anything with neoshell or Schoeller textile technology will meet that qualification as well, for the most part

 

[cuerro viejo]

I think it's a smart line. Cheaper line to stock that's beats kryptek's price points with a similar technology offering. Nothing I'd be interested in but I bet it does well for its intended purpose.

 

[nickstone]

I was really disappointed when I saw the waterproof/breath ability ratings for the kuiu Teton rain gear. I can go on sierra trading post right now añd but a 30,000/40,000 rated mountain hardwear shell for probably a little over 100 bucks

 

[cuerro viejo]

I'm unconcerned with your opinion, and by your snippy "this should be good" comment this won't actually be a conversation because you clearly seem to know it all.

Simms, north face, outdoor research, First lite, mammut, westcomb, marmot, just to name a few. I'm sure that there is a ton more in Europe that I'm unaware of.

Anything with neoshell or Schoeller textile technology will meet that qualification as well, for the most part

Those are companies not softshell jackets. Better check first lite again it's not snippy just funny. You took a shot and it missed

Not that you care anymore but here you go
Whole point of a soft shell was its breathability and stretch thus why you don't see them being made via Sitka or Firstlite . Only recently have companies tried to put WPB into soft shells and those that do aren't seam sealed there for not water proof so those specs mean nothing. Most the companies you listed don't offer a true water proof breathable softshell. You want a softshell with a WTB laminate knock yourself out... Let me know how that works out for you when it actually rains, reason why real rain gear is a hard shell or hard shell variant. You are trying to compare a 3lb plus(dry) jacket to true critically seam sealed 13 oz hard shell in your analogy. This why your anology is funny and off. Thus again why First lite nor Sitka offer a softshell rain jacket.

Fact is majority of gortex is 10k/10k, majority private labeled licensed WPB are 10k/10k. Like I said it's been the gold standard for 20 plus years. Still accounts for 90 percent of the rain gear produced. Are they latest technology numbers no. But not priced like them either. Cheaper rain wear that won't have near the stretch of the higher end stuff. You won't buy it and I wouldn't buy it but it's still a decent prices rain gear

 

[cuerro viejo]

I was really disappointed when I saw the waterproof/breath ability ratings for the kuiu Teton rain gear. I can go on sierra trading post right now añd but a 30,000/40,000 rated mountain hardwear shell for probably a little over 100 bucks

I've never understood why Columbia and mountain hard ware never decided to make a high end backcountry hunting line.

Hell i wish they would just make stuff in light brown. Colors are out of control now a days, unless you hang out in down town Tokyo