The Argali Clothing Project

[Dust Rider]

I like the look of the pants. Why a different cargo pocket color on the Tussock color and not just solid like the Bitterbrush?

 

[Brad@Argali]

On the Torex…are those website pic’s the actual Bitterbrush color? I believe you said you darkened it up a bit (more brown) just not sure if the pic’s depict the change or not?

Miss on not having an internal belt and optional knee pad pockets. Not deal breakers for me, but I know there are a lot strong options on both, I happen to love internal belts(less pack rub) and why not have the optional knee pads for those that do want them?

Other than waist, fit is difficult for me to predict just looking at numbers…all so different, just need to try them on. But, IMO, the inseam of 34+ seems a bit long for us bigger 38-40 guys…33 would have been a better compromise up to 40? I guess I could always hem them, haha.

Can’t wait…it’s clear you put a lot of thought and effort into these pieces…Congrats on the launch!!

The color on the website for Bitterbrush is accurate. Any digitial image isn't always going to 100% align with what they look like in person, but it's close.

I'm curious about your thoughts on the internal belt and knee pads. On the internal belt, I'm open to doing it, but we have not found a ladderlock buckle that doesn't slip under a heavy pack, which is when you need your belt to not be slipping the most. I understand some people like them and the rubbing issue under a pack, but most of our survey feedback was ambivalent or didn't care at all about the built in belt. And my personal experience is the built in belts are ok but not great, and if they do slip you have to remove it so you can use a differnt belt (or use suspenders).

And on the knee pads this is an interesting one. I'm open to it but it was a very low priority for our survey respondants if they cared at all. We will offer knee pad compatible pants in the future, but just an FYI for why. And to your question about why we wouldn't have optional knee pads. If you're going to make room for an internal knee pad you have to create space for it in the leg sizing around the lower thigh, knee and calf area, and to do that you have to make the legs baggier or else the knee pad will feel too restricting inside the pants. We didn't want either of these pants in particular to be baggy in the leg as that creates excess fabric, which causes fabric "swishing", which makes for more noise. Just wanted you to understand the rationale.

On size, we certainly tried to err slightly longer, knowing some people can hem if need be, but it's harder to sew on a couple extra inches of fabric! If you try them out and they don't fit, you can always return.

I appreciate the feedback and let me know if you have any other questions.

 

[Brad@Argali]

I like the look of the pants. Why a different cargo pocket color on the Tussock color and not just solid like the Bitterbrush?

Now we're getting into the behind the scenes stuff! We originally wanted a 2-tone on both Torex pants. But on the bitterbrush the two-tone brown-ish just looked weird. Don't know why but it did, so we went with a solid color for Bitterbrush with off-set zipper colors.

 

[Brad@Argali]

On the Torex…are those website pic’s the actual Bitterbrush color? I believe you said you darkened it up a bit (more brown) just not sure if the pic’s depict the change or not?

Miss on not having an internal belt and optional knee pad pockets. Not deal breakers for me, but I know there are a lot strong options on both, I happen to love internal belts(less pack rub) and why not have the optional knee pads for those that do want them?

Other than waist, fit is difficult for me to predict just looking at numbers…all so different, just need to try them on. But, IMO, the inseam of 34+ seems a bit long for us bigger 38-40 guys…33 would have been a better compromise up to 40? I guess I could always hem them, haha.

Can’t wait…it’s clear you put a lot of thought and effort into these pieces…Congrats on the launch!!

And just to clarify on the Bitterbursh color on the website, the studio images are the correct color, but the field photos of bitterbrush are a bit lighter in color (less brown), than the final product.

 

[Jiggs_D]

Is January 15th the pre-sale date to the public or for those signed up for the clothing project?

 

[Oregonhuntrboi]

All of our clothing is made in Vietnam. No firm plans for other colors at the moment, but yes I'm sure we will be making other colors in the future. If there's something you're intersted in let me know.

Just curious how landed here? And did you consider made in the USA at all?

 

[Dust Rider]

Thanks for the responses! I look forward to trying out your clothing line. This should be great timing for your company with the current change of ownership and state of hunting clothing at Kuiu, SG, etc.

How long do we still have until you sell of to a capital investment firm??

 

[Brad@Argali]

Is January 15th the pre-sale date to the public or for those signed up for the clothing project?

If you are signed up for The Thread you get pre-sale access on the 14th at 9 a.m. MST.

 

[Brad@Argali]

Thanks for the responses! I look forward to trying out your clothing line. This should be great timing for your company with the current change of ownership and state of hunting clothing at Kuiu, SG, etc.

How long do we still have until you sell of to a capital investment firm??

Hahaha, for what it's worth, I like my job. Making gear is my passion.

 

[WCT3]

Brad, do you have an anticipated lead time for order placed during the pre-order? l'm trying to decide on which pants I will order. I almost exclusively rifle hunt, mostly CO but also out of state some. I'm leaning towards the Vesper knowing I can always add a baselayer, especially with how hot it's been in recent years.

 

[Brad@Argali]

Just curious how landed here? And did you consider made in the USA at all?

Happy to answer this honestly, but would rather not make this thread a debate about USA made clothing.

I did consider it but it really isn't practical for the volumes we are making and in trying to keep the cost affordable. First, in my experience and opinion, Vietnam has more expertise, knowledge and experience sewing complicated technical clothing than any other country. There is a labor force there that gets paid well, and they are really good at making clothing consistently in large volumes. That last part is the real problem with US made clothing. Making tens of thousands of clothing pieces with tight tolerances at scale requires a lot of skilled sewers, and we really don't have the skilled labor force here to do it. Smaller volumes are very do-able.

This is a whole rabbit hole about making clothes in the US that I'd rather not get into here, but one of the companies we work with has a joint venture with a large us based company and I can make everything we make in Vietnam here in the US. It's something I would gladly do if there was truly a demand for it, and people were willing to pay more for it. The biggest challenge with making clothing in the US is that unless we were to open up our own factory, every clothing sewer I've talked to in the US has said the same thing, which is that all/most of the sewing factories here don't have the ability to make large volumes, let alone do it at a remotely competitive cost with places like Vietnam. So, long way of saying yes I considered it and we can do it here, but there are some practical limitations and the prices would be higher.

 

[Brad@Argali]

Brad, do you have an anticipated lead time for order placed during the pre-order? l'm trying to decide on which pants I will order. I almost exclusively rifle hunt, mostly CO but also out of state some. I'm leaning towards the Vesper knowing I can always add a baselayer, especially with how hot it's been in recent years.

All pre-orders will ship in April. Hopefully early April but just depends on a few logistics.

I think either pant will be great for you, but the Torex is our mid-season pant and sounds like that might better for you based on most of your hunts. One of our testers who runs hot used the Vesper all fall into the winter, but I personally like the Torex for October and November hunts as it cuts the wind a little better. But, I run pretty cold just for reference. I'd say it's totally up to you based on what you prefer and hot you run.

 

[WCT3]

All pre-orders will ship in April. Hopefully early April but just depends on a few logistics.

I think either pant will be great for you, but the Torex is our mid-season pant and sounds like that might better for you based on most of your hunts. One of our testers who runs hot used the Vesper all fall into the winter, but I personally like the Torex for October and November hunts as it cuts the wind a little better. But, I run pretty cold just for reference. I'd say it's totally up to you based on what you prefer and hot you run.

Cool thanks. I struggle with layers because I run hot while moving but get cold pretty easily while sitting.

 

[Jake Larsen]

If you are signed up for The Thread you get pre-sale access on the 14th at 9 a.m. MST.

Will it be through a link by Email? Just want to know what to look for. Exited to run these this next year. Hopefully in time for Spring Bear!


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[Brad@Argali]

Will it be through a link by Email? Just want to know what to look for. Exited to run these this next year. Hopefully in time for Spring Bear!


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All good! yeah you will receive an email with a link to purchase on the 14th at 9 a.m. MST.

 

[Oregonhuntrboi]

Happy to answer this honestly, but would rather not make this thread a debate about USA made clothing.

I did consider it but it really isn't practical for the volumes we are making and in trying to keep the cost affordable. First, in my experience and opinion, Vietnam has more expertise, knowledge and experience sewing complicated technical clothing than any other country. There is a labor force there that gets paid well, and they are really good at making clothing consistently in large volumes. That last part is the real problem with US made clothing. Making tens of thousands of clothing pieces with tight tolerances at scale requires a lot of skilled sewers, and we really don't have the skilled labor force here to do it. Smaller volumes are very do-able.

This is a whole rabbit hole about making clothes in the US that I'd rather not get into here, but one of the companies we work with has a joint venture with a large us based company and I can make everything we make in Vietnam here in the US. It's something I would gladly do if there was truly a demand for it, and people were willing to pay more for it. The biggest challenge with making clothing in the US is that unless we were to open up our own factory, every clothing sewer I've talked to in the US has said the same thing, which is that all/most of the sewing factories here don't have the ability to make large volumes, let alone do it at a remotely competitive cost with places like Vietnam. So, long way of saying yes I considered it and we can do it here, but there are some practical limitations and the prices would be higher.

Appreciate the transparency.

 

[Jiggs_D]

For consideration - As an online customer, it would be incredibly helpful to ask future reviewers to include their specific body measurements used in your sizing guide, i.e., chest measurement, waist, inseam, etc. Height and weight alone don’t offer much clarity because people’s body shapes vary so much. Then couple that with a question about how the garment fits, runs small, true to size, or runs large.

Not many retailers have this and it would make choosing the right size far easier for customers.

Looking forward to trying these pieces.

 

[Brad@Argali]

For consideration - As an online customer, it would be incredibly helpful to ask future reviewers to include their specific body measurements used in your sizing guide, i.e., chest measurement, waist, inseam, etc. Height and weight alone don’t offer much clarity because people’s body shapes vary so much. Then couple that with a question about how the garment fits, runs small, true to size, or runs large.

Not many retailers have this and it would make choosing the right size far easier for customers.

Looking forward to trying these pieces.

That’s a great idea. I’ll look into it and I appreciate the suggestion. If you do have any specific fit questions feel free to reach out to us and we would be happy to help. 208.918.0246.

 

[blacktailcentral]

I will gladly buy a pair of vesper pants. Brad is a stand up dude, have called argali a few times over the past year and Brad is super helpful. Also rad to talk to the guy that designed the stuff!

 

[cornfedkiller]

For consideration - As an online customer, it would be incredibly helpful to ask future reviewers to include their specific body measurements used in your sizing guide, i.e., chest measurement, waist, inseam, etc. Height and weight alone don’t offer much clarity because people’s body shapes vary so much. Then couple that with a question about how the garment fits, runs small, true to size, or runs large.

Not many retailers have this and it would make choosing the right size far easier for customers.

Looking forward to trying these pieces.

I agree with this as well. I'm not sure if the data got updated with feedback from customers, but Kuiu used to have a very detailed "size guide" on their site.. You clicked on it and it asked for several of your measurements and then it told you what size you needed in that particular garment.