I propose the “Fair opportunity in America’s Outdoors Act”

[BBob]

I do feel at one point there will be some push back if things keep going the same direction in a lot of states.

That ship has sailed. Literally decades now since AZ went to 90/10 and had challenges in court. Other states have since followed and now WYO is another of many. Precedent has been set and likely nothing to stop a 90/10 allocation if a state chooses to do so.

 

[diamond10x]

Maybe residents should only be able to hunt on private and state owned public land? That would work for everybody that way nobody gets special privileges by their license plate. NR can’t complain state owned wildlife is using their equally owned fed lands and R can’t complain NR are taking their tags or killing all their animals. Win win for everyone right?

 

[4ester]

The BLM seems to believe they are "primarily responsible for managing wildlife habitat on BLM-managed public lands, while the states are primarily responsible for managing resident wildlife populations...." Are they lying about spending federal money for habitat used by state owned animals?

https://www.blm.gov/programs/fish-and-wildlife/wildlife/about

The BLM spends more time managing cattle leases, checking oil and gas meters and collecting wild horses then anything to do with wildlife that we hunt. I have seen them do some prescribed burns in a couple areas…..but even those were sponsored by RMEF.

It’s the government….. none of them actually work……….Don’t be surprised that your tax dollars are wasted.


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[dukeball33]

#6 to OPs list:
6.) NR applicant shall provide equivalent funds as tag purchase price for conservation funds in their home state to improve opportunity for hunting throughout the nation. (Elk map provided for basis of how much progress could be made to improve opportunity).

 

[dukeball33]

I see plenty of selfish reasons but 99% of those that use the lands only use 10% of public lands. Kinda funny you want continued land welfare because you made a choice where hunting is priority but yet want taxpayers to prop up your choice by providing free land. Most land owners in the west are all for selling public lands.

How bout we privatize the interstate system as well? A good chunk of US citizens don’t use a good chunk of federally funded roads… the great state of Kansas may be upset by the multitude of tolls that would be needed to get goods to the state. Hit waterways too. Pay for what you use right??? We are a union for a reason and your talking points are tough to digest, at best.

 

[roadrunner]

As much as I dislike the idea of outfitters, I can’t really justify my dislike. They utilize public resources just like miners, loggers, wind farms, commercial fisherman, oil companies, Electric companies with dams, ect….
The on thing about wildlife, government don’t care much about it unless it’s valuable. Outfitters and their organizations tend to be good demonstrating to government the monetary value of wildlife.

I’d be for limits on outfitters, guides, ect… but I’d not want to risk PR legislation to get it, and Id not want to pull PR dollars from any state as a punishment for their handling of outfitters.

Except the industries you mentioned extract resources you and everyone else gets to use as a benefit whereas outfitters benefit themselves. Their business taxes and the money generated by the Pittman Robertson Act are minimal compared to the revenues and benefits the others provide.

Outfitters should be subject to the tenets of the free market just like every other business, and, this nonsense of only allowing residents to hunt wilderness areas in some states needs to stop.

 

[roadrunner]

This crowd cant go more than a month without asking NR for support in some fashion. They will be asking for money to...

Or asking to help end no hunting on Sunday in some states...

 

[tdhanses]

How bout we privatize the interstate system as well? A good chunk of US citizens don’t use a good chunk of federally funded roads… the great state of Kansas may be upset by the multitude of tolls that would be needed to get goods to the state. Hit waterways too. Pay for what you use right??? We are a union for a reason and your talking points are tough to digest, at best.

Haha, you going to increase our toll charges or will you start to pay your fair share first? Pretty sure you want to make daily goods more expensive for all because you might lose a free handout, the interstate system vs public lands, that’s your comparison?

 

[nebhunt]

I have been able to enjoy hunting in Colorado many times in the past and Wyoming just a few times. A lot has changed in the last 30 plus years on how the states manage their wildlife. My state included. Most of it was for the good. There is only one thing that I would like to see changed and I don't see how it would cost the state a lot of money to change it. Wyoming needs to change the law pertaining to a nonresident hunting in the wilderness.

 

[ColoradoV]

“The best things in life are inaccessible to all but a select few..”

Each individual choose how their life is set up…. I have set up my life for decades- to scout for mule deer 25+ days a year in the best high country units in the nation - then hunt for another 30 if needed. Gave up better jobs, a bigger house, nice car, and more money to do so.. If you have not made this lowest level of commitment to live where you hunt…. Time to call a spade a spade here or stop the woe is me bitchin as you do not deserve any more than 10% of tags…

I like to see the tags go to folks who will put in the work and 8 or 9 times out of 10 it is a resident putting in the work as they have life prioritized, made the commitment, and have the sand to do so. Or the guys consistently killing the biggest bucks in eagle or gunny live there. Same w region G. Put up or shut up = real simple actually

Seems most nr I talk to feel cpw “ows” them a 180” buck or a 350” bull dropped whole in their truck.. Or want pm info about where to start as “I don’t have time to scout”… Well if you don’t have the time to scout you just want a handout as most nr seem to want. Then the same guy shoots a forkie and complains about trophy quality ..

With that said your proposal sounds good to me or about time we see 90/10 here in Colorado…..

Do you do this all on your own land?

While I agree it might be time to limit NR tags I also agree it’s time to look back at selling off 80% of public lands and look at keeping only the most utilized places that are multi use.

All the residents talk about the state owning wildlife and then get all butt hurt at the concept of selling off public lands, I think it’s great many made a choice to sacrifice for hunting and all, as long as they have free land to do it on, the land welfare concept.

I am one of the few folks that turn down 190” private land buck hunts or 350” bulls on the same private land. Not small chunks either 5k ac here, 6k in another unit, and 20k in another spot.. Or I can hunt huge tracts of private land so I guess I am missing your point…

Not a nr so I guess why do a canned hunt for nothing but antlers, internet, and ego .. Nothin more ugly to me than a buck whole in the back of a truck…. Or it seems this is a niche currently best filled by the great white non resident hunter most who have neither the commitment or sand to do it right but will be first to bitch their rights are getting trampled …

No doubt I take more advantage of public lands than almost anyone posting in this thread - year round but again my choice. If it is a priority for anyone nothing but themselves preventing you from doing the same. I guess just easier to shed snowflake tears on the inet.. Or some of you just stop w the woe is me victim mentality.

I am sure the cities, midwest, east, and south is just as nice as living here at 9k ft in Colorado. Or if it is not put up or shut up and move as the constant academic nr bitchin is what it is.

That’s my 2 cents and it is worth far less than 2 cents so have fun hashin it out boys !!

 

[bsnedeker]

Haha, you going to increase our toll charges or will you start to pay your fair share first? Pretty sure you want to make daily goods more expensive for all because you might lose a free handout, the interstate system vs public lands, that’s your comparison?

When is Kansas going to start paying it's fair share?

Be careful, you're hypocrisy is showing!

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[cmahoney]

When is Kansas going to start paying it's fair share?

Be careful, you're hypocrisy is showing!

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Our tax dollars paying for private land whit tail habitat!

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database put the issue on the map and is driving reform. Just ten percent of America's largest and richest farms collect almost three-fourths of federal farm subsidies; cash payments that often harm the environment.

farm.ewg.org

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[bsnedeker]

Our tax dollars paying for private land whit tail habitat!

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database put the issue on the map and is driving reform. Just ten percent of America's largest and richest farms collect almost three-fourths of federal farm subsidies; cash payments that often harm the environment.

farm.ewg.org

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THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

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[JjamesIII]

Was it on federal land?

Of course not! Our public land is an overcrowded joke. You’ll get your doe tag filled, a 120” buck maybe….literally two totally different experiences from Ohio public vs. private land.

 

[Squincher]

The BLM spends more time managing cattle leases, checking oil and gas meters and collecting wild horses then anything to do with wildlife that we hunt. I have seen them do some prescribed burns in a couple areas…..but even those were sponsored by RMEF.

It’s the government….. none of them actually work……….Don’t be surprised that your tax dollars are wasted.


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No need then for BLM to have any biologists, or for those biologists to have a budget then, is there?

 

[4ester]

Those biologist are saving 3 toed lizards, and sage grouse (which are the dumbest bird on the planet……and birds of prey are responsible for their decline).

You can think what you want….. but I’ve never seen the BLM out doing deer and elk studies.

We have Senators and House Reps employed too…… do they actually do anything?


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[tdhanses]

When is Kansas going to start paying it's fair share?

Be careful, you're hypocrisy is showing!

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I’ll agree when the feds cover close to half our state budget. MT is 39.1% and WY 36%, drop your percentages to at least 25%.

Or look at it this way, WY received $2.1 billion for 578,803 people, MT received $2.3 billion for 1.1 million people while KS recived $3.8 billion for 2.93 million people.

Or that WY has 30+ million acres of federal public land, MT has 29+ million acres while KS has 301,000 acres of federal land.

Which state is paying it’s fair share?

 

[Rifleman86]

I have been able to enjoy hunting in Colorado many times in the past and Wyoming just a few times. A lot has changed in the last 30 plus years on how the states manage their wildlife. My state included. Most of it was for the good. There is only one thing that I would like to see changed and I don't see how it would cost the state a lot of money to change it. Wyoming needs to change the law pertaining to a nonresident hunting in the wilderness.

If I had to pick one issue that irks me the most as a nonresident hunter, it’s the WY wilderness rule.

I don’t love the fact a tag costs me nearly 50x that of a resident in some states, or I only might get one every few years vs buying it over the counter like a resident, but I realize that money A) goes toward a good cause and B) the fact nonresident tags are limited keeps the experience worthwhile for both residents and nonresidents alike. Bottom line despite not loving it personally, it’s probably best for all of us things are managed in that fashion. As I’ve said repeatedly, residents should have a great degree of preference with regards to both opportunities and cost in the state that they reside. I think most of the people angrily responding seemed to gloss over that part when I tried to tackle this issue…

But when states cater special interest groups who add additional costs that price the experience out of the realm of possibility of most middle class people, I think it goes against the wildlife management principles that has made North American hunting what it is today.

I can’t afford an outfitter, and even if I could afford one, it’s not the kind of experience that I value. Others might, and they are more than welcome to pay for an outfitter, I just don’t thing it should be either outright mandated or underhandedly subsidized.

If potentially withholding federal funds could be used as a tool to encourage states from bowing to the will of outfitter lobbyist to the detriment of all of us, then I think it might be a good idea.

 

[bsnedeker]

I’ll agree when the feds cover close to half our state budget. MT is 39.1% and WY 36%, drop your percentages to at least 25%.

Or look at it this way, WY received $2.1 billion for 578,803 people while KS recived $3.8 billion for 2.93 million people.

Or that WY has 30+ million acres of federal public land while KS has 301,000 acres of federal land.

Go ahead and continue down this line of reasoning until you can convince yourself your position isn't ridiculous.

It's the American way!

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[Gobbler36]

What does any of that have to do with the state paying for managing habitat for animals they own? I mean we've been told point blank over and over by residents the animals belong to them and them alone, so don't the expenses associated with these animals also belong to them and them alone?

Sure it does
if you don’t feel you need to contribute don’t come to western states to hunt. Simple as that.
You can feel good about not contributing your license fees to those states and 10 other people will come fill your void anyways

as a resident i reallly wouldn’t care less if i had to pay 10x for elk deer and antelope license if it was 5% NR cap instead