I propose the “Fair opportunity in America’s Outdoors Act”

[sndmn11]

Vote with your wallets, if you dont like wyomings game allocation take those dollars somewhere else. No one has a gun to your head. Whining isn't going to change anything. If an animal has not value if you cant shoot it, then go somewhere where you can I guess.

I've suggested many times that those who say they want more opportunity come on over to Colorado and hunt with all the licenses they can afford from July to January, but none ever do.

 

[Gobbler36]

Im not in the game and dont care.

Im in FL. You and i would apply for the same tag and have the same opportunity. We charge a lil more for NR licenses but only have 1 draw. Same for most of the eastern states. Thats what makes the whining foreign to so many folks. A goodly number of the eastern states also do not require a draw to buy a license and hunt.

Our fishing is regulated by area. Offshore stuff is lumped in with a handful of eastern seaboard states and the gulf fishing is involved with the gulf fisheries and those states. Everyone can go and play by the rules.

All you propose is that you are more worthy than others for x or y. You’ll figure it out some day.

Ha! that’s because there isnot as much demand for people to come to ******* Florida to chase all your white tails around as there is wanting to come hunt the limited amounts of deer, elk and antelope out west. How can you not get that through ya skull.

 

[CJ19]

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Ha! that’s because there isnot as much demand for people to come to ******* Florida to chase all your white tails around as there is wanting to come hunt the limited amounts of deer, elk and antelope out west. How can you not get that through ya skull.

To Be perfectly honest, there are a lot of people that go to florida to chase tails around.

 

[Gobbler36]

And what we're saying is no one cares about your opinion. I'm sure that's tough to hear but it's true.

If applications in the west start going down then things might change, but with the demand at an all time high the states can pretty much do whatever they want because for every one guy that drops out 5 guys will try to grab his spot.

It's supply and demand. It's not complicated. Go ahead and cry to the feds if you want. They'll tell you that states manage their wildlife. End of discussion.

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Mic drop!

 

[Gobbler36]

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To Be perfectly honest, there are a lot of people that go to florida to chase tails around.

There needs to be a spring break NR fee for those tails!

 

[4ester]

No need to sell federal lands. Just no federal funding used for any habitat management since the animals that use that habitat are owned by the state. Let the states fund the management of the habitat their animals use.

Except the feds were the ones who brought in these wolves and are the reason for the moose population collapse.

The same feds who won’t let us manage grizzlies who are over populated and contributing to the problem.

The same feds who pushed for all mountain goats to be killed in Teton park, even though one of the very best mountain goat hunting areas borders it.

Say what you want, but the state does not have control in some of these situations, they just handle what the feds screw up.

I’m a resident and am not crazy about the 90/10 as it really isn’t going to increase my draw odds much at all, but going to cut funding from the game and fish.

But as a resident I watch these animals all year….. do my best to kill as many predators as possible, dodge deer, elk, bighorn sheep standing on the road, attend G&F meetings, plow snow, watch people struggling with depression from the long cold windy winter, try and help out the local warden, and the list goes on and on in these small Wyoming communities. You think I deserve a better chance of drawing a tag then a guy that rolls into town and is gone in a week?

But this public land belongs to everyone, I encourage everyone to visit the far extends of these beautiful mountains. Nobody is stopping you from that.


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[Pwells10]

“The best things in life are inaccessible to all but a select few..”

Each individual choose how their life is set up…. I have set up my life for decades- to scout for mule deer 25+ days a year in the best high country units in the nation - then hunt for another 30 if needed. Gave up better jobs, a bigger house, nice car, and more money to do so.. If you have not made this lowest level of commitment to live where you hunt…. Time to call a spade a spade here or stop the woe is me bitchin as you do not deserve any more than 10% of tags…

I like to see the tags go to folks who will put in the work and 8 or 9 times out of 10 it is a resident putting in the work as they have life prioritized, made the commitment, and have the sand to do so. Or the guys consistently killing the biggest bucks in eagle or gunny live there. Same w region G. Put up or shut up = real simple actually..

Seems most nr I talk to feel cpw “owes” them a 180” buck or a 350” bull dropped whole in their truck.. Or want pm info about where to start as “I don’t have time to scout”… Well if you don’t have the time to scout you just want a handout as most nr seem to want. Then the same guy shoots a forkie and complains about trophy quality ..

With that said your proposal sounds good to me or about time we see 90/10 here in Colorado…..

 

[cmahoney]

Do any of those leases in white tail country receive federal subsidies for crops?


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[mlgc20]

It’s not going to get any better than it is right now. Best to just make it work for you in some way. I make 2 trips a year to Wyoming for backcountry hiking and fishing. And I make 2 trips a year to Colorado for hunting. Sure, I’d love to hunt elk and deer in the wilderness areas of Wyoming where I go fishing. But, that’s not going to happen. That’s just the way the rules of the game are.

 

[Huntin Fool]

With your proposition, what do we do with ounce in a lifetime tags? Give 10% of those away to nonresidents too, even though a resident might apply his/her whole life and never draw.

 

[woods89]

Except the feds were the ones who brought in these wolves and are the reason for the moose population collapse.

The same feds who won’t let us manage grizzlies who are over populated and contributing to the problem.

The same feds who pushed for all mountain goats to be killed in Teton park, even though one of the very best mountain goat hunting areas borders it.

Say what you want, but the state does not have control in some of these situations, they just handle what the feds screw up.

I’m a resident and am not crazy about the 90/10 as it really isn’t going to increase my draw odds much at all, but going to cut funding from the game and fish.

But as a resident I watch these animals all year….. do my best to kill as many predators as possible, dodge deer, elk, bighorn sheep standing on the road, attend G&F meetings, plow snow, watch people struggling with depression from the long cold windy winter, try and help out the local warden, and the list goes on and on in these small Wyoming communities. You think I deserve a better chance of drawing a tag then a guy that rolls into town and is gone in a week?

But this public land belongs to everyone, I encourage everyone to visit the far extends of these beautiful mountains. Nobody is stopping you from that.


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In CO it's the residents who want to bring in the wolves!

We just got back a few weeks ago from a vacation in El Salvador. Beautiful country, but the wildlife is decimated. It made me thankful. I hope we retain public lands, I hope all you western residents keep abundant hunting opportunities, and I hope I can occasionally come west and enjoy hunting elk in that part of the country. I'm not moving, I have a business established and the last thing you need is more habitat turned into housing anyway.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we have almost everything in common. To all a good night.

 

[Squincher]

Except the feds were the ones who brought in these wolves and are the reason for the moose population collapse.

The same feds who won’t let us manage grizzlies who are over populated and contributing to the problem.

The same feds who pushed for all mountain goats to be killed in Teton park, even though one of the very best mountain goat hunting areas borders it.

Say what you want, but the state does not have control in some of these situations, they just handle what the feds screw up.

I’m a resident and am not crazy about the 90/10 as it really isn’t going to increase my draw odds much at all, but going to cut funding from the game and fish.

But as a resident I watch these animals all year….. do my best to kill as many predators as possible, dodge deer, elk, bighorn sheep standing on the road, attend G&F meetings, plow snow, watch people struggling with depression from the long cold windy winter, try and help out the local warden, and the list goes on and on in these small Wyoming communities. You think I deserve a better chance of drawing a tag then a guy that rolls into town and is gone in a week?

But this public land belongs to everyone, I encourage everyone to visit the far extends of these beautiful mountains. Nobody is stopping you from that.


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What does any of that have to do with the state paying for managing habitat for animals they own? I mean we've been told point blank over and over by residents the animals belong to them and them alone, so don't the expenses associated with these animals also belong to them and them alone?

 

[Rokbar]

I didn't read this whole thread, but I hope my state charges a resisdent of another state the same thing THAT state would charge me to hunt big game in their state. In other words reciprocal charges. If your going to charge me out the ying yang to come enjoy hunting in your state, then welcome to being charged out the ying yang in the Tarheel state. Fair is Fair. I'm sure the Rokslide resident biologist will chime in soon!

 

[cmahoney]

I didn't read this whole thread, but I hope my state charges a resisdent of another state the same thing THAT state would charge me to hunt big game in their state. In other words reciprocal charges. If your going to charge me out the ying yang to come enjoy hunting in your state, then welcome to being charged out the ying yang in the Tarheel state. Fair is Fair. I'm sure the Rokslide resident biologist will chime in soon!

What’s a sheep tag cost where you are at?


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[4ester]

What does any of that have to do with the state paying for managing habitat for animals they own? I mean we've been told point blank over and over by residents the animals belong to them and them alone, so don't the expenses associated with these animals also belong to them and them alone?

What exactly do the feds do to manage habit in Wyoming? I live here and can honestly say not a dang thing.

The forest circus doesn’t do a damn thing but try and reduce access and write tickets for firewood. Won’t fix roads, start prescribed burns for spotted owls that they loose control over.

The local groups and game and fish are the ones doing the managing of our wildlife.


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[cmahoney]

What exactly do the feds do to manage habitat?

The forest circus doesn’t do a damn thing but try and reduce access and write tickets for firewood.

The local groups and game and fish are the ones doing the managing of our wildlife.


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Exactly


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[BuzzH]

I didn't read this whole thread, but I hope my state charges a resisdent of another state the same thing THAT state would charge me to hunt big game in their state. In other words reciprocal charges. If your going to charge me out the ying yang to come enjoy hunting in your state, then welcome to being charged out the ying yang in the Tarheel state. Fair is Fair. I'm sure the Rokslide resident biologist will chime in soon!

Your state can charge nrs any price they choose. I'm good with that.

 

[Rifleman86]

I didn't read this whole thread, but I hope my state charges a resisdent of another state the same thing THAT state would charge me to hunt big game in their state. In other words reciprocal charges. If your going to charge me out the ying yang to come enjoy hunting in your state, then welcome to being charged out the ying yang in the Tarheel state. Fair is Fair. I'm sure the Rokslide resident biologist will chime in soon!

I do feel at one point there will be some push back if things keep going the same direction in a lot of states. Who knows what that pushback will look like, but it might be really bad for residents that have had it really, really good for decades on end. I also don’t want to see is dissolve into a state vs state pissing match punishing each other’s non residents.

I just think we should work together to keep things somewhat reasonable before that happens.

 

[Squincher]

What exactly do the feds do to manage habit in Wyoming? I live here and can honestly say not a dang thing.

The forest circus doesn’t do a damn thing but try and reduce access and write tickets for firewood. Won’t fix roads, start prescribed burns for spotted owls that they loose control over.

The local groups and game and fish are the ones doing the managing of our wildlife.


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The BLM seems to believe they are "primarily responsible for managing wildlife habitat on BLM-managed public lands, while the states are primarily responsible for managing resident wildlife populations...." Are they lying about spending federal money for habitat used by state owned animals?

https://www.blm.gov/programs/fish-and-wildlife/wildlife/about

 

[Rokbar]

What’s a sheep tag cost where you are at?


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Hopefully the same as a Nevada nonresident big game tag, or should be.