How to end NR Wyoming wilderness ban?

[Dave0317]

If anyone is truly serious on this, PM me. There's a route to challenge this that doesn't involve getting a ticket, and (I think, at least, but would have to really run it down) a good argument to be made that it's unconstitutional. It would take some money, but perhaps not as much as one might think.

Is there any of the conservation groups you think would be on our side in this?

I would think some of them are pretty tied in with outfitters that would be opposed to it.

BHA seems to be pretty friendly to the DIY hunter mindset. Maybe they would put some skin in the game considering
1. Most of their members probably hunt elk and don’t live in Wyoming.
2. That’s a huge public land resource that is off limits to the majority of Americans unless they pay extra to a “guide” that may or may not make them any safer or more likely to harvest an animal.

 

[P Carter]

Is there any of the conservation groups you think would be on our side in this?

I would think some of them are pretty tied in with outfitters that would be opposed to it.

BHA seems to be pretty friendly to the DIY hunter mindset. Maybe they would put some skin in the game considering
1. Most of their members probably hunt elk and don’t live in Wyoming.
2. That’s a huge public land resource that is off limits to the majority of Americans unless they pay extra to a “guide” that may or may not make them any safer or more likely to harvest an animal.

Conceptually, if an organization spends money to increase game numbers/increase hunting opportunity on behalf of a nationwide membership, in (or affecting) WY wilderness areas, yet a portion of the organization's membership is prevented by law from enjoying those opportunities, that organization would rightly have a beef with the restriction.

 

[wytx]

You don't have to pay a guide to hunt the wilderness, in fact it is illegal to pay a resident guide that is not a licensed outfitter. Pay to play doesn't apply here, yet.

 

[Backyard]

I just spent two weeks at my place in Wyo, and Im catching up on Rokslide threads and it took me a pot of coffee to read thru this thread... entertaining for sure.

Here's what I do know:

In Colorado, there are Moose Units are Resident Only.

NonRes can hunt deer, antelope, elk, small game, fish, hike and anything else in these units, just not hunt moose.

In these moose units there are BLM lands, State Lands, Federal Lands and even..... Wilderness Areas.

I have never heard of one complaint about this.
Not one. Ever.

And how many NR moose hunters are there hunting Co again?


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[cnelk]

And how many NR moose hunters are there hunting Co again?


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Again...
Isnt this thread about not allowing NonRes in to certain areas?

 

[BuckSmasher]

I lived in and hunted Wyoming for about 30 years. Spent lots of time in wilderness. Had a total of zero encounters with Game and Fish in a place where this would even come up. I suppose out of state plates at a trailhead that goes straight into wilderness, without access to non-wilderness available from same trailhead might get attention. Doubt it’s much attention though, wardens are plenty busy with other stuff. I was the “resident guide” for a few friends (some just non-residents I met while hunting) over the years, and to be honest half the time I forgot to get the paper to make it legal anyway. It’s a law meant to convince non-residents to hire a guide, and nothing else. Doubt it has ever even been talked about as something to actually enforce. Anyone who got a ticket for it probably did something else to get the warden’s attention. Especially with social media, finding a local to join on a hunt just isn’t that hard. Draw the tag, come up with a plan for a cool hunt and start reaching out.

I want to hunt the thorofare with my own stock when I can draw a general tag in 3-30 years. Is there a hunting partner website for lonely WY residents? Something like Farmers Only but for hunting partners only?

41 yom seeks fun loving WY resident hunter. Must have positive attitude, be physically fit and a preferably a Christian. In any case can't have a drinking or substance abuse problem and not vulgar or prone to anger. Must be ok with horses. Being an excellent elk caller is a must. Open to either just a one time hunt, or maybe forming longtime huntingship. Must have your own basic gear. Sense of humor, especially in difficult or uncomfortable circumstances is a big plus.

 

[MTtrout]

Isnt this thread about not allowing NonRes in to certain areas?

Feel free to reread the title for your answer (especially the wilderness part)

Again, I see no comparison between a state limiting the very few tags (insert your CO moose example) issued to res only versus a state not allowing non res from hunting big game ‘IN ALL’ wilderness areas without a guide.

I would like to know if non res hunters can hunt other big game in the moose area you brought up in CO?

Seems like an out of stater of WY can swing a shotgun on birds in wilderness areas but needs payed company if they want to shoot a hoofed animal.

 

[SDHNTR]

It’s their state, they get to make the rules pertaining to wildlife. Don’t like it? Hunt somewhere else.

 

[Mojave]

I want to hunt the thorofare with my own stock when I can draw a general tag in 3-30 years. Is there a hunting partner website for lonely WY residents? Something like Farmers Only but for hunting partners only?

41 yom seeks fun loving WY resident hunter. Must have positive attitude, be physically fit and a preferably a Christian. In any case can't have a drinking or substance abuse problem and not vulgar or prone to anger. Must be ok with horses. Being an excellent elk caller is a must. Open to either just a one time hunt, or maybe forming longtime huntingship. Must have your own basic gear. Sense of humor, especially in difficult or uncomfortable circumstances is a big plus.

I am out, I am vulgar and I like a beer in camp.

 

[MTtrout]

It’s their state, they get to make the rules pertaining to wildlife. Don’t like it? Hunt somewhere else.

Sure, but doesn’t a small part of you want to see the WY wildlife commission members release their warm motherly arms off the shoulders of wilderness outfitters just a little bit?

 

[SDHNTR]

Sure, but doesn’t a small part of you want to see the WY wildlife commission members release their warm motherly arms off the shoulders of wilderness outfitters just a little bit?

Nope. And this is coming from a NR who just hunted a wilderness in WY and paid through the nose to do it.

 

[Dos Perros]

I want to hunt the thorofare with my own stock when I can draw a general tag in 3-30 years. Is there a hunting partner website for lonely WY residents? Something like Farmers Only but for hunting partners only?

41 yom seeks fun loving WY resident hunter. Must have positive attitude, be physically fit and a preferably a Christian. In any case can't have a drinking or substance abuse problem and not vulgar or prone to anger. Must be ok with horses. Being an excellent elk caller is a must. Open to either just a one time hunt, or maybe forming longtime huntingship. Must have your own basic gear. Sense of humor, especially in difficult or uncomfortable circumstances is a big plus.

Lol you don't have to be an excellent elk caller in Wyoming. Get you a Hyper Lip Single and stack'em up.

 

[MuleyFever]

It’s their state, they get to make the rules pertaining to wildlife. Don’t like it? Hunt somewhere else.

And the people have the right to lobby and petition for change. They may win or may lose but It's one of the things that makes this country what it is. Collectively, we have the right to challenge the system. This country was born from challenging the system.

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

It’s their state, they get to make the rules pertaining to wildlife. Don’t like it? Hunt somewhere else.

That's one option. Another is to try to do something about it if you don't like it.

 

[idelkslayer]

I don't like the rule, but it doesn't bother me much. I would prefer Wyoming to be honest about it and admit that it is not a public safety issue. It is outfitter welfare and NR hunter crowding control. A reciprocity rule would be a good symbolic form of protest/retaliation. But I suspect that it would impact very few Wyomingites.

It would be no different than another state designating certain units as Resident Only, whether it contains wilderness or not. Now there's an idea.

 

[Jethro]

Sure, but doesn’t a small part of you want to see the WY wildlife commission members release their warm motherly arms off the shoulders of wilderness outfitters just a little bit?

Not me. I have no doubt it would lead to NR quota cuts and/or outfitter only tags. So even if you win the battle, you will lose the war. NR would end up with some more land they can hunt, and no tag to hunt it with.

 

[wapitibob]

That's one option. Another is to try to do something about it if you don't like it.

The only way the law goes away is when the outfitters trade it for nr outfitter licenses.

 

[wyosam]

Feel free to reread the title for your answer (especially the wilderness part)

Again, I see no comparison between a state limiting the very few tags (insert your CO moose example) issued to res only versus a state not allowing non res from hunting big game ‘IN ALL’ wilderness areas without a guide.

I would like to know if non res hunters can hunt other big game in the moose area you brought up in CO?

Seems like an out of stater of WY can swing a shotgun on birds in wilderness areas but needs payed company if they want to shoot a hoofed animal.

It’s how Wyoming chose to do it. Alaska has some requirements by species, but also some areas that aren’t open to non residents without guides. I’m sure other states have similar. Some allocated tags for outfitters (I think, never done it). There is a million different ways to distribute a very limited resource, and I’d bet all of them are going make more people angry than happy. It’s not just hunting- it’s the same thing as anything else that has more demand than it can support. It gets limited (in some way), or it gets destroyed.


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[Dos Perros]

There is a million different ways to distribute a very limited resource

This isn't a resource issue, it's a safety issue. The Wyoming Wilderness is dangerous, and that's why unguided NR's aren't allowed to hunt big game in it.

 

[FAAFO]

I just can’t fathom a man getting online to cry about something. If there’s a problem provide a solution. And do something about it. Anything less just makes you a whiney b*****