Gunnison CO public lands closed

[blueyceman]

Gosh, I don't even know where to begin. I'll start by saying that I'm a longtime Gunnison County resident. Things in Gunnison ain't great right now, not by a long shot. It's mud season here, most NF/BLM access is still closed due to snow/mud, and the weather is quite shitty. About half of this community and counting is currently unemployed due to COVID19. Importantly, our county has some of the highest case rates per capita of COVID19 anywhere in the country right now. Public health officials are even telling 2nd homeowners to stay away, for now.

37% of the 212 tests our county has been able to have analyzed thus far have come back positive for COVID19. Additionally, 700 people in this very small community are reporting COVID19-like symptoms. People needing critical levels of care are being transported out of county because our limited resources can't handle them. The last thing we need right now are outsiders infiltrating our grocery stores, gas stations, and medical facilities, either bringing in new infections or picking them up here. Why on earth would you want to come to one of the ground-zero spots for COVID19 right now?

These are not normal times, and so some of the measures being enacted are purely to protect the public health. If that inconveniences your constitutional rights, too fuhking bad. This is for the greater public good. This is TEMPORARY, and when this passes, all Americans are more than welcome to come back in. This is a TOURIST-BASED economy, so obviously the economic damage from lack of outsiders HURTS.

Someone earlier said that they'd skied at CB a lot and due to these new anti-outsider, temporary public land regulations, they wouldn't bring their business back. Well - a little news for you - this county as far as tourism goes before this crisis was literally crawling with tourists. So if this emergency situation 'offends' you and you therefore have decided to not come back after this is over, GREAT. Tens of thousands of other skiers, bikers, hikers, hunters, fisherman, etc. will be here to fill your shoes, so no one cares that you don't come here any more.

It's time for people to take their extremely arrogant, 'whaaaaaahhh this violates my constitutional rights' bullshit arguments and stick them where the sun don't shine.

Thanks for listening, and I sincerely hope you and your family stay healthy.

 

[5MilesBack]

Shocking thought: What if they never actually planned to enforce this

If they never planned to enforce it then they shouldn't implement it. That goes for any law........if they aren't going to enforce it then don't create it in the first place. That's pretty simple.

Seems a little ridiculous to throw out the thought that they want to implement something that is unconstitutional and then just not enforce that. But what does happen in real life is they overstep their bounds knowing that it will take money and going to court to fight what they've done, so they do it anyway knowing that the downside to that is minuscule for them.

 

[5MilesBack]

If that inconveniences your constitutional rights, too fuhking bad. This is for the greater public good.

Discard the foundation and the building will crumble. One has to be able to see beyond the end of their nose to see that the greater public good is to preserve the foundation at all costs. Putting a crack in it here "for the greater good", and another crack in it there "for the greater good", and some more very small cracks that can barely even be seen "for some perceived safety", etc, etc.......and soon the nation will crumble.

 

[KurtR]

How is that legal?

Well they shut the roads down through the res if you are not a member, live there or doing buisness.

here is the story

BREAKING NEWS: CRST deputizes officers for checkpoints along reservation borders - West River Eagle

Beginning tomorrow morning, two checkpoints will be set up at the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe reservation border on Highway 212. Late Wednesday evening, CRST Tribal Chairman Harold Frazier deputized over a dozen officers who will begin manning the checkpoints. The chairman also released details...

www.westrivereagle.com

 

[BuzzH]

Discard the foundation and the building will crumble. One has to be able to see beyond the end of their nose to see that the greater public good is to preserve the foundation at all costs. Putting a crack in it here "for the greater good", and another crack in it there "for the greater good", and some more very small cracks that can barely even be seen "for some perceived safety", etc, etc.......and soon the nation will crumble.

Right, because we have a Worldwide Pandemic every year...talk about not being able to see beyond the end of your nose.

 

[Trevor73402]

Discard the foundation and the building will crumble. One has to be able to see beyond the end of their nose to see that the greater public good is to preserve the foundation at all costs. Putting a crack in it here "for the greater good", and another crack in it there "for the greater good", and some more very small cracks that can barely even be seen "for some perceived safety", etc, etc.......and soon the nation will crumble.

Anyone who doesn’t understand this now, never will. Don’t waste your energy arguing with them. Just take note of who tries to refute these simple truths and know going forward the type of person they are. Some people will find any way possible to rationalize that it’s “ok just this one time” to let their rights be taken away.

It’s one big stone and they don’t have the ability to just smash it to bits all at once. However, determined they are, they chip away at it flake by flake. It’s always just “one more flake for the greater good”.

 

[commandoNate]

I can certainly see both sides of this argument and I'm caught in the middle. We have a pandemic that has done something unprecedented in recorded human history, governments forcibly shutting down the economy virtually worldwide to slow the spread. They are asking us to have some compassion for our fellow man and do our part to not spread this disease. And many people from the front range are treating this like a vacation and heading to the mountains. Believe me, I've considered it. If the local law enforcement has to use this as a tool to keep people out of their county who are simply there to recreate I can understand that.

But this sets a dangerous precedent for the government being able to infringe on our rights using the 'greater good' argument. What happens when they apply this seemingly arbitrary argument to the 2A debate?

 

[Rmauch20]

Gosh, I don't even know where to begin. I'll start by saying that I'm a longtime Gunnison County resident. Things in Gunnison ain't great right now, not by a long shot. It's mud season here, most NF/BLM access is still closed due to snow/mud, and the weather is quite shitty. About half of this community and counting is currently unemployed due to COVID19. Importantly, our county has some of the highest case rates per capita of COVID19 anywhere in the country right now. Public health officials are even telling 2nd homeowners to stay away, for now.
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37% of the 212 tests our county has been able to have analyzed thus far have come back positive for COVID19. Additionally, 700 people in this very small community are reporting COVID19-like symptoms. People needing critical levels of care are being transported out of county because our limited resources can't handle them. The last thing we need right now are outsiders infiltrating our grocery stores, gas stations, and medical facilities, either bringing in new infections or picking them up here. Why on earth would you want to come to one of the ground-zero spots for COVID19 right now?

These are not normal times, and so some of the measures being enacted are purely to protect the public health. If that inconveniences your constitutional rights, too fuhking bad. This is for the greater public good. This is TEMPORARY, and when this passes, all Americans are more than welcome to come back in. This is a TOURIST-BASED economy, so obviously the economic damage from lack of outsiders HURTS.

Someone earlier said that they'd skied at CB a lot and due to these new anti-outsider, temporary public land regulations, they wouldn't bring their business back. Well - a little news for you - this county as far as tourism goes before this crisis was literally crawling with tourists. So if this emergency situation 'offends' you and you therefore have decided to not come back after this is over, GREAT. Tens of thousands of other skiers, bikers, hikers, hunters, fisherman, etc. will be here to fill your shoes, so no one cares that you don't come here any more.

It's time for people to take their extremely arrogant, 'whaaaaaahhh this violates my constitutional rights' bullshit arguments and stick them where the sun don't shine.

Thanks for listening, and I sincerely hope you and your family stay healthy.

Yeah let’s not let constitutional rights get in the way of something. Those are pesky, no good, old policies anyway.

 

[Rmauch20]

As Joe the plumber put it speaking about gun rights. Your dead don’t trump my constitutional rights.
Many would argue that stricter gun right, green new deal, etc would be for the greater good as well.

 

[Poser]

And so then, at this moment in time, people should just feel free to move around as they please, go where they wanna go, do what they wanna do, when they want to do it and not concern themselves with the consequences towards the greater good?

Also, how do seasonal wildlife closure play into this? In my area, access to wintering grounds is seasonally closed to everyone except those with hunting tags. It’s public land, closed for the “greater good” of the animals and the CPW writes tickets to offenders.

 

[blueyceman]

Yeah let’s not let constitutional rights get in the way of something. Those are pesky, no good, old policies anyway.

You're taking out of context the fact a world pandemic is going on, and America has found itself at the rock bottom of this. In this extreme particular moment, special measures have to be enacted. Or, we could choose the path of ignorance and death. It'll be interesting to see how the vast differences in social mitigation measures end up working out for different parts of the country. If you look at what happened during the Spanish Flu, cities that were very strict and draconian in their measures to combat the virus ultimately had a much lower death toll.

 

[ColoradoV]

Internet tough guys are priceless...

Good perspective from Blue..

“The constitution is not a suicide pact” - Abraham Lincoln

 

[brsnow]

3 branches for a reason, if it violates the constitution let the judicial branch decide. Checks and balances. System was designed by some pretty smart people.

 

[Rmauch20]

Internet tough guys are priceless...

Good perspective from Blue..

“The constitution is not a suicide pact” - Abraham Lincoln

I am just as tough in person. I don’t think anyone is trying to appear tough. Some are just a tad worried at the rate rights are being tossed to the wayside in the name of the greater good.
Example
https://www.politico.com/states/new...medical-supplies-in-coronavirus-fight-1270929

 

[DenverCountryBoy]

People died to secure those rights. Lots of people.

Let's put this in perspective.

The estimated mortality rate of the coronavirus is less than 1%. Germany is seeing a rate of 0.5%.


1.1% of the American population died fighting in or as a direct result of the Independence war.

1.97% of the U. S. population died fighting in the Civil War.

Do I think people should stay home and ride this out? Absolutely.

Am I willing to have our rights permanently infringed and turned into privileges that can be revoked? Hell no.

 

[Ratbeetle]

Anyone who doesn’t understand this now, never will. Don’t waste your energy arguing with them. Just take note of who tries to refute these simple truths and know going forward the type of person they are. Some people will find any way possible to rationalize that it’s “ok just this one time” to let their rights be taken away.

It’s one big stone and they don’t have the ability to just smash it to bits all at once. However, determined they are, they chip away at it flake by flake. It’s always just “one more flake for the greater good”.

Thanks for posting this. I've been tempted to burn my keyboard up replying to some of the more outspoken posters and their passive-aggressive sh*t posting to anyone who thinks the response to this "crisis" has been massive government overreach.

But you're right. I will never see eye to eye with them and it's hardly worth getting worked up over.

Unfortunately it has become apparent that the people who can't cover their coughs and sneezes, wash their hands, stop touching their faces with their nasty fingers, or keep a reasonable distance from others especially if they are in an at-risk group without the governement shutting the country down vastly outnumber those of us that can exercise a little common sense. This situation has been eye opening and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't extremely disappointed.

But whatever, if that is the direction that this country is heading I'll just channel my inner rage against the machine (if you know...you know) and carry on.

I'm done with these sorry a** corona threads. Pathetic.

 

[GrumpyHiker]

Gosh, I don't even know where to begin. I'll start by saying that I'm a longtime Gunnison County resident. Things in Gunnison ain't great right now, not by a long shot. It's mud season here, most NF/BLM access is still closed due to snow/mud, and the weather is quite shitty. About half of this community and counting is currently unemployed due to COVID19. Importantly, our county has some of the highest case rates per capita of COVID19 anywhere in the country right now. Public health officials are even telling 2nd homeowners to stay away, for now.
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37% of the 212 tests our county has been able to have analyzed thus far have come back positive for COVID19. Additionally, 700 people in this very small community are reporting COVID19-like symptoms. People needing critical levels of care are being transported out of county because our limited resources can't handle them. The last thing we need right now are outsiders infiltrating our grocery stores, gas stations, and medical facilities, either bringing in new infections or picking them up here. Why on earth would you want to come to one of the ground-zero spots for COVID19 right now?

These are not normal times, and so some of the measures being enacted are purely to protect the public health. If that inconveniences your constitutional rights, too fuhking bad. This is for the greater public good. This is TEMPORARY, and when this passes, all Americans are more than welcome to come back in. This is a TOURIST-BASED economy, so obviously the economic damage from lack of outsiders HURTS.

Someone earlier said that they'd skied at CB a lot and due to these new anti-outsider, temporary public land regulations, they wouldn't bring their business back. Well - a little news for you - this county as far as tourism goes before this crisis was literally crawling with tourists. So if this emergency situation 'offends' you and you therefore have decided to not come back after this is over, GREAT. Tens of thousands of other skiers, bikers, hikers, hunters, fisherman, etc. will be here to fill your shoes, so no one cares that you don't come here any more.

It's time for people to take their extremely arrogant, 'whaaaaaahhh this violates my constitutional rights' bullshit arguments and stick them where the sun don't shine.

Thanks for listening, and I sincerely hope you and your family stay healthy.

I get it man, people are scared. Lock it down...close up shops/grocery/whatever private business you want to everyone, only visitors, or just bald people. Go nuts with private enterprises, but don't close public land to the public except 17K people. How county residents get exclusive rights to federal land is such an overreach I'm still trying to process it. I would be more ok with it if it was closed to everyone, including county residents.

 

[blueyceman]

I get it man, people are scared. Lock it down...close up shops/grocery/whatever private business you want to everyone, only visitors, or just bald people. Go nuts with private enterprises, but don't close public land to the public except 17K people. How county residents get exclusive rights to federal land is such an overreach I'm still trying to process it. I would be more ok with it if it was closed to everyone, including county residents.

Well, that's just it. It ISN'T closed to anyone. Public health authorities are simply just asking out of politeness to keep away at this time, until we know where rock bottom is. What Gunnison County is doing isn't the same at all as the Silverton Sheriff stories you hear about. Again, they are simply recommending that now is not the time to visit. There is no enforcement should you choose to ignore. People on this forum who have their panties in such a wad over this general recommendation, I think need to take a chill pill. We are not in China, and this is not the beginning of the end as far as your individual freedoms go.

 

[GrumpyHiker]

This implies otherwise unless I'm confused on what "only" means. Hell, they even underline and bold it for the impaired. And I'm not ranting solely against Gunnison County so don't get your panties in a bunch either.

I'm personally not that concerned about losing my freedoms permanently, I know some here seem to be and they make fair points. You seem to be as unnecessarily worried about the extinction of Gunnison County residents as others are their freedoms. As I said, counties can and should close/limit whatever private enterprise you like but giving exclusive rights to public land to a fraction of the public is wrong, be it Gunnison County, San Miguel, Denver...I don't care.

 

[brsnow]

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This implies otherwise unless I'm confused on what "only" means. Hell, they even underline and bold it for the impaired. And I'm not ranting solely against Gunnison County so don't get your panties in a bunch either.

I'm personally not that concerned about losing my freedoms permanently, I know some here seem to be. You seem to be as unnecessarily worried about the extinction of Gunnison County residents as others are their freedoms. As I said close/limit whatever private enterprise you like but giving exclusive rights to public land to a fraction of the public is wrong, be it Gunnison County, San Miguel, Denver...I don't care.

Wouldn’t it far more concerning if they closed it to all people?