Listened to the episode of the 22 creed and arc in Africa. Again, not going to recommend it but not going to say don't listen. To no one's surprise it performed extremely well on a variety of game with minimal tracking. JVB is opening to listen but then takes every opportunity to point out where the 22's are potentially handicapping the shooters ability to ethically take game. I get it, different viewpoints for different people and we should be open to listening to those possibilities. The part that gets me is at the very end he said we should listen to those experts( hornady ) about which bullets and calibers are appropriate for which situation. So I am supposed to ask a guy that sells hundreds of different bullets ,if not thousands, as to which bullets are best for each animal and believe that his recommendation is completely unbiased and has nothing to do with overall sales? Maybe this individual does offer information that way but I am a bit skeptical that he does.