Form struck someone’s nerve

[MountainTracker]

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Well my “piss-ant” little 6 Creedmoor shooting the 108 ELDM didn’t bounce of a cow elk’s shoulder today at 362 yards so I’m happy! She didn’t even take a step!

So you’re saying you shot the legs out from under it….

Haha


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[Norcal18]

The thing that I found frustrating was his fixation on the .223, he did talk about Steve and his 6 creed, but it seemed like most of it was directed at the .223. Meanwhile Form has recommended up to a 6.5 CM (and even a braked or suppressed 6.5 PRC if I remember right). He’s not even saying you SHOULD use them, just that they are more effective than most might have thought and you will shoot better with less recoil but JVB fails to acknowledged any of that.


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[HuntHarder]

The thing that I found frustrating was his fixation on the .223, he did talk about Steve and his 6 creed, but it seemed like most of it was directed at the .223. Meanwhile Form has recommended up to a 6.5 CM (and even a braked or suppressed 6.5 PRC if I remember right). He’s not even saying you SHOULD use them, just that they are more effective than most might have thought and you will shoot better with less recoil but JVB fails to acknowledged any of that.


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To be fair, the thread that most reference on Rokslide is not Form's, its @PNWGATOR's .223 thread.

 

[Afhunter1]

Man, if the fudds/mall ninja dude is funny to yall, I can't imagine how bad jvb is.


I'm trying to listen to him and he talks so slow I fall asleep before he finishes the sentence.

Gotta be upper Midwest, needs some pep in that dialect.

That last 30 seconds is gold. Just have to struggle through. lol

 

[Mountainrancher]

I can't help but find some sort of irony in that JVB was on Exo's podcast years ago and now that his ideas have fallen out of favor, he's shit talking them.

After listening to part of the second episode I absolutely believe this was because his pride/ego was hurt by exo having another “expert” on that wasn’t him. The second episode is a disgusting ego stroke to make himself feel special.

 

[Billy Goat]

That last 30 seconds is gold. Just have to struggle through. lol

I'll try to listen again.

 

[Ucsdryder]

I'll try to listen again.

Fast forward to the last 2 minutes. That’s all I could handle. The last 10 seconds was good but you need some context.

 

[Billy Goat]

Fast forward to the last 2 minutes. That’s all I could handle. The last 10 seconds was good but you need some context.

Whole thing is like listening to my wife tell a story, 20 minutes of talk for what should be 2.


The ending was pretty funny tho.

 

[HuntHarder]

Whole thing is like listening to my wife tell a story, 20 minutes of talk for what should be 2.


The ending was pretty funny tho.

Must be a wife thing. Im usually waiting for the punchline that never comes.

 

[LongWayAround]

You tune out.

Come back..

Yep, she's still going.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Must be a wife thing. Im usually waiting for the punchline that never comes.

I usually know the punch line after 30 seconds but have to sit there for another 4.5 minutes while she brings the ship around…

 

[The Guide]

Whole thing is like listening to my wife tell a story, 20 minutes of talk for what should be 2.


The ending was pretty funny tho.

Must be a wife thing. Im usually waiting for the punchline that never comes.

You tune out.

Come back..

Yep, she's still going.

I usually know the punch line after 30 seconds but have to sit there for another 4.5 minutes while she brings the ship around…

You'd love my ADHD spicy brained self telling you a story then... You get 6 mini stories and 3 dark humor jokes with every story and then I'll remember to finish what I was saying 20 minutes later when my CPU catches up on all the memes I saw.

Jay

 

[hunterjmj]

Wonder when part 3 comes out? Maybe it'll be how rss rifle setups don't work on big game or if you ain't stealing bucks you're not a real hunter.

 

[rookieforever33]

I'll try to listen again.

His definition of Fudd isnt exactly what I think it means now. I think of it more as someone just stuck in old ways and struggling because of them. But I appreciate his calling out older members of the gun industry that sold us out. Desert Dogs delivery isnt exactly hollywood, but he doesnt seem owned by anyone or catering. Get over the delivery and its a decent way to spend 20 minutes every once in a while. Way better than the other guy I wont speak his name.

 

[Billy Goat]

His definition of Fudd isnt exactly what I think it means now. I think of it more as someone just stuck in old ways and struggling because of them. But I appreciate his calling out older members of the gun industry that sold us out. Desert Dogs delivery isnt exactly hollywood, but he doesnt seem owned by anyone or catering. Get over the delivery and its a decent way to spend 20 minutes every once in a while. Way better than the other guy I wont speak his name.

@ 3x speed, so like 6:45 minutes

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

So is “hard hard quartering” the new euphemism for a Texas heart shot while one continues to talk of ethics?

 

[CorbLand]

Whole thing is like listening to my wife tell a story, 20 minutes of talk for what should be 2.


The ending was pretty funny tho.

With mine it’s more of the “the color of her hair, brand of shirt and purse held zero significance to the point of your story but I am glad it made up 75% of the story.”

 

[Billy Goat]

With mine it’s more of the “the color of her hair, brand of shirt and purse held zero significance to the point of your story but I am glad it made of 75% of the story.”

Give it a few years.


You won't be able to pin down what made 75% of the story.

 

[Howard94]

Is form on the shoot to hunt pod? I thought I heard mention on the exo podcast that form had his own. I’d like to hear more about the topic. Hopefully form and Joseph can have some sort of discussion with the exo guys.

 

[hereinaz]

Now, go listen to the previous episode where he and Seth from Hornady talk about the dozens of African animals killed with the 22 creed and arc

They even discuss how devastating the ELDx is at close range because it is highly fragmenting at high velocity—DRTing Africa game.

Not till the end does he interrupt Seth to say, but you shouldn’t use a 22 creed cause you might want to shoot the trophy through the paunch so you need to be over gunned.

I am down with people choosing what they want. There is lots of personal choice.

What Form and small caliber enthusiasts generally say “you can” shoot small caliber, 1) here is proof it kills and then 2) this is the benefit. We (I am a small caliber enthusiast too) freely admit limitations.

The issue is the status quo is focused on proving small caliber enthusiasts are categorically wrong.

JVB says categorically you can’t do xyz ethically. JVB is a true believer and clearly an industry insider. He claims evidence is cherry picked to justify preconceptions. I say that is what he is doing.

Reminds me of what Elon Musk set out to do with rocket ships. The establishment says “You can’t fire, land, and reuse a rocket within weeks” Elon said, hold my beer… SpaceX is dominating the industry.