Form struck someone’s nerve

[hunterjmj]

I listened to my first shoot to hunt podcast today and I’m sure they are good guys but I don’t get it.
I’m not against using smaller stuff for large game but I feel like bragging about how you can’t wait to shoot a grizzly bear with a .22 is a little much. I don’t follow many influencers but it seems like these guys have gone from .300 ultra mag is overkill and a 7mm is perfect to a 7mm is too much and a .22 creedmore Is unreal a little quick. If They want to shoot these guns they can have their .22 arc and 6.5/7mm PRC/ improved as far as I’m concerned and I’d advise anyone listening to these people to unsubscribe to these podcasts and buy a decent gun that’s not to big and not to small, learn how to shoot it and just go hunting. Believe it or not more
Time in the field will lead you to success far quicker than listening to “form” or shoot to hunt.

You'll probably be surprised how many people hunt with a .223 then.

 

[Dackdack]

You'll probably be surprised how many people hunt with a .223 then.

Maybe but where I live we have grizzlies, black bear, moose , caribou, elk, stones , goats , mule deer , white tail, blacktail , mt lions and I don’t know a single person with a gun smaller than .243 and those are blacktail hunters. The point I’m trying to make is the most successful hunters I know don’t get into the weeds with what these podcasters recommend. They buy a reasonable gun and go hunting . These guys can shoot whatever oddball combo they want but they sound a little dumb talking about wanting a light recoil rifle capable of killing at 1200 yards.

 

[Gynaroo]

Maybe but where I live we have grizzlies, black bear, moose , caribou, elk, stones , goats , mule deer , white tail, blacktail , mt lions and I don’t know a single person with a gun smaller than .243 and those are blacktail hunters. The point I’m trying to make is the most successful hunters I know don’t get into the weeds with what these podcasters recommend. They buy a reasonable gun and go hunting . These guys can shoot whatever oddball combo they want but they sound a little dumb talking about wanting a light recoil rifle capable of killing at 1200 yards.

I agree whole heartedly. I feel like this is like a which political party is the better. Where most of us are just moderate and in the middle.

 

[tony]

Joe has part 2 up.
Ho boy, I’m about a half hour in.
He definitely doesn’t like “forum”
Must have a sponsorship with exo because it’s killing him not to rip into Steve. Though wants to reeducate him.

 

[WTFJohn]

Maybe but where I live we have grizzlies, black bear, moose , caribou, elk, stones , goats , mule deer , white tail, blacktail , mt lions and I don’t know a single person with a gun smaller than .243 and those are blacktail hunters. The point I’m trying to make is the most successful hunters I know don’t get into the weeds with what these podcasters recommend. They buy a reasonable gun and go hunting . These guys can shoot whatever oddball combo they want but they sound a little dumb talking about wanting a light recoil rifle capable of killing at 1200 yards.

I've killed elk outright at 700 yds with a 6.5PRC, and I've shot elk within 40 yds with a .300WM that required more than one followup shot. What sounds dumb to me is the idea that those outcomes shouldn't be possible.

The most successful hunters I know shoot/hunt with everything frrom ~480gr arrows at ~290 fps to .300PRC. Crowing about needing a magnum or larger caliber rifle falls flat against guys running around with a bow and stacking animals.

 

[MT_Wyatt]

As painful as that first pod was from JVB, part 2 is going to take a miracle to get through. I’m just driving along yelling at my radio in response to some of the nonsense. Total old man move.

it’ll be interesting to hear him re-educate Steve with his 6CM kills this year.

 

[steelheadmike]

Joe has part 2 up.
Ho boy, I’m about a half hour in.
He definitely doesn’t like “forum”
Must have a sponsorship with exo because it’s killing him not to rip into Steve. Though wants to reeducate him.

I'm about 20 minutes through it. So far, everything has made me cringe.

His complete and utter lack of critical thinking is impressive, even for him. He cited ("cherry-picked") two moose kills and uses them as evidence for smaller calibers not working effectively, even after admitting he hasn't seen the video of and agrees that follow-up shots in those scenarios were warranted. His reasoning, that because the 6CM used didn't cause the instantaneous death of the two moose, the cartridge is ineffective, is ridiculous.

By his logic, if I heard a story of a 338 Win Mag not causing the instantaneous death of a moose, I could state that it is an ineffective caliber for moose.

His whole logical process is flawed.

 

[gabenzeke]

I listened to about a third of jvb's second attempt at whatever it is he's doing here. All I can say is it's infuriating. He clearly hasn't read or understood what Form is saying. And he outright lies a number of times. It seriously is starting to remind me of MSNBC whenever I try to read or listen to the opinion of someone trying to argue against Form's opinions.

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[steelheadmike]

As painful as that first pod was from JVB, part 2 is going to take a miracle to get through. I’m just driving along yelling at my radio in response to some of the nonsense. Total old man move.

it’ll be interesting to hear him re-educate Steve with his 6CM kills this year.

When he said he would never have Form on, all I could think was "No $#iT".

 

[Ucsdryder]

JVB and forum both love this. Clicks = dollars.

 

[HighUintas]

I listened to my first shoot to hunt podcast today and I’m sure they are good guys but I don’t get it.
I’m not against using smaller stuff for large game but I feel like bragging about how you can’t wait to shoot a grizzly bear with a .22 is a little much. I don’t follow many influencers but it seems like these guys have gone from .300 ultra mag is overkill and a 7mm is perfect to a 7mm is too much and a .22 creedmore Is unreal a little quick. If They want to shoot these guns they can have their .22 arc and 6.5/7mm PRC/ improved as far as I’m concerned and I’d advise anyone listening to these people to unsubscribe to these podcasts and buy a decent gun that’s not to big and not to small, learn how to shoot it and just go hunting. Believe it or not more
Time in the field will lead you to success far quicker than listening to “form” or shoot to hunt.

Maybe but where I live we have grizzlies, black bear, moose , caribou, elk, stones , goats , mule deer , white tail, blacktail , mt lions and I don’t know a single person with a gun smaller than .243 and those are blacktail hunters. The point I’m trying to make is the most successful hunters I know don’t get into the weeds with what these podcasters recommend. They buy a reasonable gun and go hunting . These guys can shoot whatever oddball combo they want but they sound a little dumb talking about wanting a light recoil rifle capable of killing at 1200 yards.

You're completely missing the point.

 

[Schmo]

JVB and forum both love this. Clicks = dollars.

Except Form doesn’t make a cent off of clicks, but whatever

 

[Spoonbill]

JVB saw the AVB memes and now thinks he has his way to take down Rokslide. The memes drove him to make these podcasts. Thats my illogical theory.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Except Form doesn’t make a cent off of clicks, but whatever

That’s what I’ve heard…………

 

[Ucsdryder]

JVB saw the AVB memes and now thinks he has his way to take down Rokslide. The memes drove him to make these podcasts. Thats my illogical theory.

Or he knows that being divisive creates content and podcast listens. I bet this is one of his most “popular” podcasts to date. In the end I think he’ll play the villain for $$$.

 

[gabenzeke]

Or he knows that being divisive creates content and podcast listens. I bet this is one of his most “popular” podcasts to date. In the end I think he’ll play the villain for $$$.

I heard jvb and form are the same guy.

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[StupidLightweight]

I heard jvb and form are the same guy.

Now that is funny — a split personality straight out of Fight Club. Our minds would be blown.

 

[fwafwow]

Now that is funny — a split personality straight out of Fight Club. Our minds would be blown.

#1 rule…

 

[schweinstein]

I have been listening to S2Hunt from the beginning and have heard everything Form has had to say. I never got the impression that he is butt hurt or overly critical of people who use large calibers.

I used to watch Ron Spomer and I’m being totally honest, right around the time he brought on JvB I couldn’t watch anymore.

JvB is pretentious. He is the only one in this “debate” trying to put a flag in the ground on what “hunting really is” and what a hunter must use.

Will I personally use a 22 cal on elk etc? Probably not because I live in a state where it’s not legal. But has form and Ryan have given me the courage to admit to myself that big magnums are damn hard to shoot well and they are completely unnecessary.

When a guy is convinced to buy big magnums from the old guard with all the voodoo and “rut armor” talk, you tend to blame yourself and not the cartridge.

Once you start shooting rifles with sub 15lb recoil you are like WTF was I doing??? Why did I drink that KoolAide?

 

[5811]

Or he knows that being divisive creates content and podcast listens. I bet this is one of his most “popular” podcasts to date. In the end I think he’ll play the villain for $$$.

It appears that you are trying to criticize the people that are consuming the content that disagree with it or him for not understanding that they are contributing to it.

While you're not wrong that more traffic is contributing to the success of the content, I think you're either omitting or missing a big part of it : creators and influencers are controlled by the interaction (and $$) they get. If it is his most popular content to date, he HAS to chase it. He has to go deeper, discussing and debating more.

So while you hint that anyone who adds to the traffic he gets from here or the discussion in general as being the "sucker" in this relationship, I think you're wrong. They are controlling his content, driving it forward. Which I think is the whole point- driving the discussion mainstream.

So yeah, you can say he will play the villian to the end for clicks like it was his plan, but I'll bet it isn't. He has no choice. And he doesn't sound comfortable with that.