Executive Gun Control Orders?

[452b264]

I have been meaning to research this Concept. I think under Title 10 every military aged male is technically in the “informal” militia. Lots of states have laws regulating private militias Though.

it is a hard topic for a layman to find an unbiased analysis of. Depending on the source, perspectives slant one way or the other.

246. Militia: composition and classes​

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

You dont need to be in a militia to protect your 2 A rights and it has an age cut off. Only six states DO NOT have a state constitution Arizona for example states the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The other 43 states also use citizen in their constitution something they understood long ago so the lefts augment that a militia was / is the military and you dont have a right to bear arms is shot all to pieces.

 

[Boarmaster]

Some on here have forgot or don't understand the end goal is to completely disarm us. If you get into a heated debate with any of these gun control folks you will quickly understand that. Too many think that agreeing to “common sense” regulations will end the assault against gun rights but they are just another part of the fence they are building around us. Some think the fence does effect us because we can still come and go from the opening in the fence. Sooner or later the opening will be very small and all that will be needed to finish their goal is to close the small opening. The slippery slope is a legit arguement regardless of its age. The only thing tired about it is that we have to continually use to keep our rights. They will not be happy until you are disarmed make no mistake about that. I didnt see one thing in those EOs that increased punishment of those that break the law with a firearm or lie on their background check paperwork.

 

[Okhotnik]

I stand by that it would require unreasonable gun control laws to mitigate the gangbanger killings. Sounds heartless, but I don't particularly care too much gangbangers dying. I know innocent people get caught in the crossfire, and LE in (extremely) rare cases as well - but gun control is not the way to fix the underlying problems in the hood, which is a whole different can of worms.

The bump stocks, ghost guns, and arm braces are about preventing mass shootings (outside of the hood), that we see in this country far too frequently. I still stand by my opinion that these proposals are not infringing upon our rights, but I am willing to have my rights "infringed upon" if it means myself or my family members are less likely to be affected by a mass shooting event in the future.

Just imagine how many people were effected by Vegas - 60 killed, 600+ wounded, crowd of 22,000+ present. How many lives were directly or indirectly traumatized by this event? Tighter gun control laws may not have stopped this from happening, but I have to believe they might have.

 

[Cameron.25]

Really? I don't remember answering personal questions about my past or going through a national database background check to buy a car or get a DL....maybe my memory is foggy......

I think the argument there is that you have to take tests for a drivers license. But i do know that the gov considers driving a privilege and not a right, so its totally different. Maybe driving would be a right if it existed when the ammendments were written. I loved when everyone was saying the cops should have let that drunk guy at that wendys just drive home. They must not know anyone thats died from drunk driving or getting hit by a drunk driver, ridiculous

 

[thefrenchman]

What if cops had a different stigma? What if the average law abiding persons only reactions with cops were not negative on average (tickets, etc) so that the public (good guys) were less worried about the cops. Also what if because of this proposed change in public perspective a cop could offer the drunk guy a ride home rather than his only option be to ruin his life with an arrest/DUI? What if a cops goal was to prevent issues rather than just catch people and fine them?

Wouldn't that change the tide of public opinion? Even with the defund crowd?

 

[Alaskanopolis]

I had a guy tell me the didn't like Trump. I told him, hell I don't like him either but like has nothing to do with it. I like what he stood for, MAGA.

I tend to not pass judgment on whether or not I “like” someone unless I’ve met them in real life.

 

[260madman]

Do you fools actually think a DL is required to drive? Read your small town paper and just see how many idiots are arrested for no DL yet they keep driving.


Buying a gun is easier than a car? far from the case. Cash in hand private seller and the car is yours. Just like a FTF gun buy.

Turn off the news and open your eyes. Research the stats. “Gun violence” is a cultural issue. When you remove the top 2 offending demographics from the discussion the US ranks far below Finland, Austria, France And just below Canada and the Czech Republic. All have far more restrictive gun laws than the US.

”These EOs don’t concern me so I don’t care”. Glad you’ve outed yourselves. I’m sure a Brown Shirt will look good on you.

 

[Alaskanopolis]

I think the argument there is that you have to take tests for a drivers license. But i do know that the gov considers driving a privilege and not a right, so its totally different. Maybe driving would be a right if it existed when the ammendments were written. I loved when everyone was saying the cops should have let that drunk guy at that wendys just drive home. They must not know anyone thats died from drunk driving or getting hit by a drunk driver, ridiculous

You only need a drivers license to drive your legally owned vehicles on public roads. You’re free to do what you want with it on your own property, drivers license or not.

 

[Cameron.25]

What if cops had a different stigma? What if the average law abiding persons only reactions with cops were not negative on average (tickets, etc) so that the public (good guys) were less worried about the cops. Also what if because of this proposed change in public perspective a cop could offer the drunk guy a ride home rather than his only option be to ruin his life with an arrest/DUI? What if a cops goal was to prevent issues rather than just catch people and fine them?

Wouldn't that change the tide of public opinion? Even with the defund crowd?

Maybe. Ive known several people in my life that have died or gotten serious injuries as a result of them or someone else driving under the influence, so i have a harder time sympathizing. Whats to deter them from doing it again if they get a free pass and a ride home? Would you feel this way if one of your best friends was killed by a drunk driver?

 

[Cameron.25]

Do you fools actually think a DL is required to drive? Read your small town paper and just see how many idiots are arrested for no DL yet they keep driving.


Buying a gun is easier than a car? far from the case. Cash in hand private seller and the car is yours. Just like a FTF gun buy.

Turn off the news and open your eyes. Research the stats. “Gun violence” is a cultural issue. When you remove the top 2 offending demographics from the discussion the US ranks far below Finland, Austria, France And just below Canada and the Czech Republic. All have far more restrictive gun laws than the US.

”These EOs don’t concern me so I don’t care”. Glad you’ve outed yourselves. I’m sure a Brown Shirt will look good on you.

To be clear i was just playing devils advocate and stating an arguement ive heard spouted before, im not in agreement with that POV. Theres tons of people driving around in stolen vehicles and/or without a license or insurance all over the place, public roads or not

 

[thefrenchman]

Maybe. Ive known several people in my life that have died or gotten serious injuries as a result of them or someone else driving under the influence, so i have a harder time sympathizing. Whats to deter them from doing it again if they get a free pass and a ride home? Would you feel this way if one of your best friends was killed by a drunk driver?

Of course I sympathize with folks who have lost loved ones and have incurred damage because of jackasses. I myself have also suffered related losses. BUT here is the deal in my mind - a drunk who might cause a problem on the way home is no different principally than a gun owner who might use his device to hurt someone. I am opposed to all forms of pre-emptive policing. Just like I am opposed to someone taking away my firearms because they could be potentially mis-used.

While you may not agree with my perspective do you follow my thought process?

 

[PLucas]

Reading through some of these comments makes me remember why so many gun people think hunters are fuds.

Growing up not hunting (nobody in my family did) but being into guns, many view hunters as fuds. Seems to many in here, being anti-gun is fine because they aren't coming for your bow or bolt gun. Eventually, they will. Being into guns actually got me into hunting.

My public land hunting gun here in IN is a 458 socom AR15 with a brace (12in barrel). This directly affects me and my hunting.

 

[tdhanses]

You missed the part where I also included it doesn’t apply to the majority of gun owners.

In your assumption, bet it applies to millions of gun owners. Unless you also assume most gun owners just own a double barrel shotgun like sleepy Joe suggests we should use for protection.

 

[fmyth]

I stand by that it would require unreasonable gun control laws to mitigate the gangbanger killings. Sounds heartless, but I don't particularly care too much gangbangers dying. I know innocent people get caught in the crossfire, and LE in (extremely) rare cases as well - but gun control is not the way to fix the underlying problems in the hood, which is a whole different can of worms.

The bump stocks, ghost guns, and arm braces are about preventing mass shootings (outside of the hood), that we see in this country far too frequently. I still stand by my opinion that these proposals are not infringing upon our rights, but I am willing to have my rights "infringed upon" if it means myself or my family members are less likely to be affected by a mass shooting event in the future.

Just imagine how many people were effected by Vegas - 60 killed, 600+ wounded, crowd of 22,000+ present. How many lives were directly or indirectly traumatized by this event? Tighter gun control laws may not have stopped this from happening, but I have to believe they might have.

Has there ever been a mass shooting where the shooter used a bump stock, "ghost gun" or arm brace? I've searched and can't find a single instance online.

 

[tdhanses]

I stand by that it would require unreasonable gun control laws to mitigate the gangbanger killings. Sounds heartless, but I don't particularly care too much gangbangers dying. I know innocent people get caught in the crossfire, and LE in (extremely) rare cases as well - but gun control is not the way to fix the underlying problems in the hood, which is a whole different can of worms.

The bump stocks, ghost guns, and arm braces are about preventing mass shootings (outside of the hood), that we see in this country far too frequently. I still stand by my opinion that these proposals are not infringing upon our rights, but I am willing to have my rights "infringed upon" if it means myself or my family members are less likely to be affected by a mass shooting event in the future.

Just imagine how many people were effected by Vegas - 60 killed, 600+ wounded, crowd of 22,000+ present. How many lives were directly or indirectly traumatized by this event? Tighter gun control laws may not have stopped this from happening, but I have to believe they might have.

Laws will never stop gangbangers, you want them stopped, let the cops apply current laws without fear. Criminals are one of the most protected groups by current liberal politicians period.

 

[tdhanses]

Has there ever been a mass shooting where the shooter used a bump stock, "ghost gun" or arm brace? I've searched and can't find a single instance online.

The Las Vegas guy had a bump stock I believe. The guy in CO recently had a brace, just going off what I’ve read, not sure if true. Think a guy killed a few cops with a “ghost gun“ in CA.

 

[tdhanses]

A drivers license and a car are harder to get than a gun.

I own plenty of guns and don’t plan to turn them in if anything above and beyond common sense gun reform ever passes. I appreciate the discussion occurring here that has not devolved to name calling.

Haha, so will you turn your guns in when common sense gun laws for others infringes on your rights?

 

[MeatMissile]

Has there ever been a mass shooting where the shooter used a bump stock, "ghost gun" or arm brace? I've searched and can't find a single instance online.

Las Vegas involved a bump stock and supposedly the recent colorado shooter and dayton shooter used pistol braces.

 

[tdhanses]

Do you fools actually think a DL is required to drive? Read your small town paper and just see how many idiots are arrested for no DL yet they keep driving.


Buying a gun is easier than a car? far from the case. Cash in hand private seller and the car is yours. Just like a FTF gun buy.

Turn off the news and open your eyes. Research the stats. “Gun violence” is a cultural issue. When you remove the top 2 offending demographics from the discussion the US ranks far below Finland, Austria, France And just below Canada and the Czech Republic. All have far more restrictive gun laws than the US.

”These EOs don’t concern me so I don’t care”. Glad you’ve outed yourselves. I’m sure a Brown Shirt will look good on you.

Remove all major very liberal cities (most restrictive on guns as well) from the stats and we pretty much have nonexistent gun violence in this country.

 

[wind gypsy]

If d's would stop talking about guns and abortion r's would never win again.

This is a wild concept to think about but it's probably true! Hard to to imagine thinking this fighting for gun rights helps with political balance but it might be better to have a continual fight for gun rights rather than perpetual dem control.

That said, I wonder if there wouldn't be a general shift in other parts of the parties platforms to fight for moderates if those major voting issues went away. Hard to picture either party settling for a platform that will never win even if the ideology or talking points need to change a bit.