"DOI will work with HUD to identify lands to offload for the development of affordable homes"

[sasquatch]

Fully agree. There’s a reason everyone is coming out here to hunt and recreate. It’s not debatable.

Many just simply can’t understand it until it’s too late. Once these wild places are gone we will NEVER get them back!! It’s not just a let’s try and see, once it’s done it’s over with and there is no take backs.

The wildlife out that way need large spans of land to support them due to weather and such. This ain’t whitetail deer we talking about.


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[rogerdoger]

I can see both sides of this. I have a hard time seeing public lands get sold and believe it could be a slippery slope for future sales. I also understand the need for more housing in these locations. The thing that gets me is how it all unfolds. It is the eleventh hour changes and lack of planning and transparency that worries me the most.

Now that it has happened it will be proposed again and again. The best thing that can happen is have some legislation put in place to ensure what land is being proposed to sell is fully vetted and show where the funds from the sale are going, maybe a % goes to public land access or help by conservation easements in other areas. Also ensure companies like Blackrock do not get their hands on it.

As some have mentioned before if whoever you vote for is doing something you disagree it’s good to push back and let them know. If you follow your party on every aspect then you are one of the sheep as no one is correct 100% of the time.

 

[sasquatch]

I can see both sides of this. I have a hard time seeing public lands get sold and believe it could be a slippery slope for future sales. I also understand the need for more housing in these locations. The thing that gets me is how it all unfolds. It is the eleventh hour changes and lack of planning and transparency that worries me the most.

Now that it has happened it will be proposed again and again. The best thing that can happen is have some legislation put in place to ensure what land is being proposed to sell is fully vetted and show where the funds from the sale are going, maybe a % goes to public land access or help by conservation easements in other areas. Also ensure companies like Blackrock do not get their hands on it.

As some have mentioned before if whoever you vote for is doing something you disagree it’s good to push back and let them know. If you follow your party on every aspect then you are one of the sheep as no one is correct 100% of the time.

It’s done in the 11th hour for REASONS.

If OUR lands are to be sold, each time WE should have to vote on it.

People, we own this land!! Our public lands are the greatest accumulation of non distributed wealth the world has ever seen.


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[CJ19]

Many just simply can’t understand it until it’s too late. Once these wild places are gone we will NEVER get them back!! It’s not just a let’s try and see, once it’s done it’s over with and there is no take backs.

The wildlife out that way need large spans of land to support them due to weather and such. This ain’t whitetail deer we talking about.


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Absolutely everybody in this discussion understands this. You go ahead be the first to move back east to NYC, CT, or South Carolina. Every western resident that has moved around there has last man in syndrome.

 

[sasquatch]

Absolutely everybody in this discussion understands this. You go ahead be the first to move back east to NYC, CT, or South Carolina. Every western resident that has moved around there has last man in syndrome.

I already live in the east. Thanks though


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[sasquatch]

Look at the housing crisis people. My god how would someone ever buy a home


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[CJ19]

I already live in the east. Thanks though


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The point remmains the same. People have been marketed to by the hunting outdoor industry about how great it is. Can you blame them for wanting to have access to tags and the resource? 90% of the people moving western are outdoor enjoyers.

The entirety of the western hunting movement as it exists today was basically centered around celebrity hunters selling public land hunts in exhange for sponsorships and other personal gain. People like Randy Newberg made their fortunes with this business model. Now once they have their fortunates and trophy rooms secure thanks to sponsorships with companies that were explicit designed around monetizing publicly funded information and public funding source, they want to preach the importance of conservation being more important than financials.

 

[CoMulies]

The point remmains the same. People have been marketed to by the hunting outdoor industry about how great it is. Can you blame them for wanting to have access to tags and the resource? 90% of the people moving western are outdoor enjoyers.

The entirety of the western hunting movement as it exists today was basically centered around celebrity hunters selling public land hunts in exhange for sponsorships and other personal gain. People like Randy Newberg made their fortunes with this business model. Now once they have their fortunates and trophy rooms secure thanks to sponsorships with companies that were explicit designed around monetizing publicly funded information and public funding source, they want to preach the importance of conservation being more important than financials.

Everyone who lives out here is painfully aware of the damage the Randy newbergs and steve rinellas of the world have done. I’m not sure what your point is, given none of us on here are guilty of what you just described, though it is quite obvious you have an axe to grind with residents over tags as you mention it ever other post.

 

[RyanT26]

Sweet baby Jesus, say louder for the people in the back.

“The entirety of the western hunting movement as it exists today was basically centered around celebrity hunters selling public land hunts in exhange for sponsorships and other personal gain. People like Randy Newberg made their fortunes with this business model. Now once they have their fortunates and trophy rooms secure thanks to sponsorships with companies that were explicit designed around monetizing publicly funded information and public funding source, they want to preach the importance of conservation being more important than financials.” CJ19

 

[sasquatch]

The point remmains the same. People have been marketed to by the hunting outdoor industry about how great it is. Can you blame them for wanting to have access to tags and the resource? 90% of the people moving western are outdoor enjoyers.

The entirety of the western hunting movement as it exists today was basically centered around celebrity hunters selling public land hunts in exhange for sponsorships and other personal gain. People like Randy Newberg made their fortunes with this business model. Now once they have their fortunates and trophy rooms secure thanks to sponsorships with companies that were explicit designed around monetizing publicly funded information and public funding source, they want to preach the importance of conservation being more important than financials.

I hate to be on the side of influencers

But I don’t think any of them would support selling the public lands off for private profits. Which is exactly what will happen here

Also, what do you people think the term “affordable housing” will equate to???

Rentals and complexes, that’s what. This won’t be sold off to regular people as .5 acre lots to build on. The majority will turn into corporate structures and the rest will be complexes, while the lands are gone for good.

People like black rock are likely the lobbyist behind this idea


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[RyanT26]

Everyone who lives out here is painfully aware of the damage the Randy newbergs and steve rinellas of the world have done. I’m not sure what your point is, given none of us on here are guilty of what you just described, though it is quite obvious you have an axe to grind with residents over tags as you mention it ever other post.

Residents only value to NR’s opinions when the NR has their wallet open, even then not so much or in times like this. Any other time the only thing they’re concerned about is raising tag cost for NR and cutting tag numbers for NR.

 

[RyanT26]

I hate to be on the side of influencers

But I don’t think any of them would support selling the public lands off for private profits. Which is exactly what will happen here

Also, what do you people think the term “affordable housing” will equate to???

Rentals and complexes, that’s what. This won’t be sold off to regular people as .5 acre lots to build on. The majority will turn into corporate structures and the rest will be complexes, while the lands are gone for good.

People like black rock are likely the lobbyist behind this idea


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They would if they could afford them.

 

[CJ19]

Everyone who lives out here is painfully aware of the damage the Randy newbergs and steve rinellas of the world have done. I’m not sure what your point is, given none of us on here are guilty of what you just described, though it is quite obvious you have an axe to grind with residents over tags as you mention it ever other post.

because you and others cant seem to get the point. This is not a me problem. This is western hunter and resident problem. You want the nation to pay for your hunting land and not give tags to people. Then expect them to care about a resource they have no stake in. You clearly are not getting it if you think this a me problem. People come on this forum weekly, maybe daily complaining about this and they get flamed.....states manage the wildlife bro.

 

[Teodoro]

Do I think the sky is falling because the republicans want to sell off 11,000 acres of public lands? No. But I am concerned because it gives me the perception of this administration being friendly with the anti-public lands fact

Just to clarify:
It's 11,000 acres in one specific Congressional district.
It's hundreds of thousands of acres in this proposal.

 

[CoMulies]

Residents only value to NR’s opinions when the NR has their wallet open, even then not so much or in times like this. Any other time the only thing they’re concerned about is raising tag cost for NR and cutting tag numbers for NR.

Each state holds animals in trust for their residents, and residents should take priority. Dont like it? Then move. I would gladly pay double for all my tags if it meant better draws and a less crowded hunting experience

 

[goathunter]

So I'm catching up here - sounds like the poor middle class can't move out west unless we sell off public land and build low income housing developments for them? And if we don't they're going to live in tents under a bridge? Man let's help them out!

And if you don't want to do this you suffer from NIMBY? I had to look this acronym up. But what if my backyard is really special, and I don't want it privatized because I want my grandkids to enjoy it?

Why are seemingly conservatives arguing for more government oversight and essentially welfare? If someone can't afford to move somewhere, I don't know... maybe they shouldn't? All very confusing.

 

[CJ19]

Each state holds animals in trust for their residents, and residents should take priority. Dont like it? Then move. I would gladly pay double for all my tags if it meant better draws and a less crowded hunting experience

Rofl

Talk with sasquatch. So what exactly are the public lands that are being sold in UT and NV offering a non resident hunter in CT?

What are they offering a nonresident non hunter that lives in Georgia?


How are you convincing those 2 groups of people PLT is not in their interest?

 

[Ozarkansas]

I can see both sides of this. I have a hard time seeing public lands get sold and believe it could be a slippery slope for future sales. I also understand the need for more housing in these locations. The thing that gets me is how it all unfolds. It is the eleventh hour changes and lack of planning and transparency that worries me the most.

Now that it has happened it will be proposed again and again. The best thing that can happen is have some legislation put in place to ensure what land is being proposed to sell is fully vetted and show where the funds from the sale are going, maybe a % goes to public land access or help by conservation easements in other areas. Also ensure companies like Blackrock do not get their hands on it.

Yeah, I’ve said before that if this was a land transfer, or the money gained by selling this land was put into some kind of habitat/land acquisition fund, I wouldn’t have too much of a complaint. I’ve looked at the sale maps and the areas listed have limited options for growth without these deals.
But as it’s just a straight-up sale to offset our deficit spending in the next budget, I’m not a fan.

 

[CoMulies]

Rofl

Talk with sasquatch. So what exactly are the public land that are being sold in UT and NV offering a non resident hunter in CT?

What are they offer a nonresident non hunter that likes in Georgia?


How are you convincing those 2 groups of people PLT is not in their interwt?

Every single person in the country has access to public lands and can recreate on them. You are conflating public land access with hunting access and access to state managed animals, because you once again have an axe to grind over tags.

 

[sasquatch]

Rofl

Talk with sasquatch. So what exactly are the public land that are being sold in UT and NV offering a non resident hunter in CT?

What are they offer a nonresident non hunter that likes in Georgia?


How are you convincing those 2 groups of people PLT is not in their interwt?

It don’t have to offer anything to a hunter in CT

It’s very simple. Every US citizen owns this land. After this virtually none will own it

Idgaf what it offers a hunter. My yard don’t offer me anything for hunting but I sure want it to stay mine.


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