Disappointed with Area419 Match Rings

[wapitibob]

Can you describe why this matters in practical terms?

I believe he’s thinking there will be a yield issue because of the small contact patch between the round cross bolt and recoil lug face of the rail.

 

[il Donaldo Trumpo]

It is better to push against a flat bar with another flat bar to maximize contact area. I do not want a round bar indentation on the vertical surface of one of my picatinny slots.

Other companies have addressed this issue in their product design, as it is a very elementary engineering concept.

 

[Blake C]

Curious what optic and rifle you are mounting these on?

 

[Dave Thomas]

Just return them and get something else.

 

[CMP70306]

Apparently you missed the detail in my post. Feel free to read it again.

It is better to push against a flat bar with another flat bar to maximize contact area. I do not want a round bar indentation on the vertical surface of one of my picatinny slots.

Other companies have addressed this issue in their product design, as it is a very elementary engineering concept.

You know the two crossbolt screws in your picture sure look a lot like the blatantly visible screws in the picture from the Area419 website which is exactly what I said in my original post.

You seriously created an account on here to complain that Area 419 makes a substandard product and is hiding things from their customers simply because they use round crossbolt screws clearly seen in the online photos?

So if they are garbage which clearly superior rings did you decided to go with instead?

Unless you are barely tightening the base of the rings on your 4 pound .458 Lott with a Gen 2 Razor in the rings I highly doubt you could generate enough force to damage your rail in any meaningful way.

And you still didn’t answer my question, if you are so disgusted by these rings which ones are better?

 

[il Donaldo Trumpo]

Its makes zero phucks to 99.999% of people, but this one guy!

Ignoramus-level input is not helpful. I suggest the savage forums for you.

 

[mtnwrunner]

Ignoramus-level input is not helpful. I suggest the savage forums for you.

Or maybe that is a good place for you to head.
il no tolerable attitude. And that applies to all.

 

[tipsntails7]

Did you even bother to use the actual rings?

I have these and their hunt rings on guns from 6 creed to 300 wsm and have had zero issues over to many rounds to count at this point.

It’s one thing to use a product and have critiques after personal experience, it’s another to create a post that looks like some AI Facebook garbage post to bitch about something you’ve got no experience with.

 

[BigAl!]

Thanks for the info. To each their own.

 

[Treelineasassin]

Did you even bother to use the actual rings?

I have these and their hunt rings on guns from 6 creed to 300 wsm and have had zero issues over to many rounds to count at this point.

It’s one thing to use a product and have critiques after personal experience, it’s another to create a post that looks like some AI Facebook garbage post to bitch about something you’ve got no experience with.

I think he's trying to self justify his ignorance by seeking supportive opinions. Dude ordered something he thought was gonna be great. Found one thing in the engineering/design he didn't like(which affects function/performance none).

Keep in mind, the round cross bolt is 100% visible on A419 website he ordered from. He should have been totally aware of what he was getting.

Comes here, creates a profile, and uses this as his first post. A rant......about a very well made product thats been field proven. Line is this guy trolling? Hard to say

 

[grfox92]

This is a problem that isn't actually a problem. You think it's a problem because square bolt, round bolt, blah blah blah, but in all reality, it means nothing. Seeing a square bolt in those rings is nothing more that mental masturbation so you can see what you think you should see. Properly torqued, you could throw that rifle off a building and those rings aren't moving. So why does it matter?

My buddy has a set of sportsmatch rings, driect mount on his Tikka 300 WM. He had a buffoon mount the scope who threw out the recoil pin. So those rings are literally just clamped on the Tikka Dove tail. They have been on there for 3 years, and that rifle has never been re zeroed. I made witness marks and they havent moved. That rifle has been packed 60 miles round trip on horse back in and out of the Thorofare, in a Scabbard on the side of a mule, 5 times. It has been dropped, shot hundreds of rounds and been cinched to backpacks around the scope dozens of times. Just clamping pressure.

Round bolt VS Square bolt = Made up problems.

 

[sndmn11]

I think a round bolt would be an advantage...

 

[il Donaldo Trumpo]

Just return them and get something else.

I did. But they shouldn’t conceal that design flaw.

Or maybe that is a good place for you to head.
il no tolerable attitude. And that applies to all.

Moderators ruin forums by running off those who provide input more than a standard deviation above the mean.

 

[Clayt6499]

So you selling em for cheap or what? I’m hear for the bad engineering discount

 

[Blake C]

Now I understand why we can IGNORE content from particular users......

 

[il Donaldo Trumpo]

To those who do not understand that concentrating the contact force between the pic vertical wall and a horizontal line on a round bar, I regret your failure to grasp a simple engineering concept, but I wish you well.

To those who got their feelings hurt because a customer is dissatisfied with a poor engineering compromise, oh well.

To those who asked if I used the rings: Of course not. I am not going to expose an integral pic rail on an expensive rifle to damage due to a faulty ring design.

As pointed out above, Zeiss, Seekins, etc. offer rings which do not have the defect of a round bar pushing against a flat wall. (And yes, yield of aluminum on the pic wall is ultimately the vulnerability.

And Clay, a bunch of these rings “like new, used once” have sold on SH. I have returned mine, as the engineering problem was immediately apparent in person although concerned on the Area419 website.

So you selling em for cheap or what? I’m hear for the bad engineering discount

 

[RiverSink]

I have many sets of these and have experienced ZERO issues with them.

 

[Clayt6499]

To those who do not understand that concentrating the contact force between the pic vertical wall and a horizontal line on a round bar, I regret your failure to grasp a simple engineering concept, but I wish you well.

To those who got their feelings hurt because a customer is dissatisfied with a poor engineering compromise, oh well.

To those who asked if I used the rings: Of course not. I am not going to expose an integral pic rail on an expensive rifle to damage due to a faulty ring design.

As pointed out above, Zeiss, Seekins, etc. offer rings which do not have the defect of a round bar pushing against a flat wall. (And yes, yield of aluminum on the pic wall is ultimately the vulnerability.

And Clay, a bunch of these rings “like new, used once” have sold on SH. I have returned mine, as the engineering problem was immediately apparent in person although concerned on the Area419 website.

There was sarcasm in my original post I don’t think you picked up on. There are tons of guys who can shoot circles around either of us running these rings and mounts on hyper expensive rigs and actions, myself included, that have zero issues. Let alone any issues with damage from the “faulty design”. I doubt you could find a single example of it with area 419 rings. I’ve tried tons of rings and mounts and these are top of the line and work as well as any Hawkins, MPA, Vortex, Leupold, you name it rings I’ve personally owned. You are getting dragged on this post and rightfully so.

 

[43.6N]

Good grief, this thread is still going on?

…speaking of thing quickly burning out of control, how about that big Utah fire? Anybody been through there recently?