Dire Wolf de-extinction

[fatlander]

I've been wondering what predator could run fast enough to drive the evolution of antelope running speeds. You might have just answered it.

I think that would be the now extinct American cheetah (Miracinonyx)


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[Cliff Gray]

What an amazing case study in how the public's reaction is completely based on the narrative...
manipulating species to make ribeyes 50% bigger - horrible
modifying corn so it is roundup resistant - god awful
raising big horn x marco polo crosses - prison worthy

making cute hybrid dire wolf x grey wolf puppies, inspired by a cool TV show - AWESOME!

 

[EastHumboldt]

I've been wondering what predator could run fast enough to drive the evolution of antelope running speeds. You might have just answered it.

I had heard this was the cheetah, and that we used to have them in North America prior to the great mega fauna extinction. On further research I read they were maybe not as fast as the modern African cheetah, but who knows.

 

[EastHumboldt]

Human population growth has drastically slowed. The powers to be are actively trying to turn it around to population decrease, not my words, theirs’.

Anyway, I just don’t see the good that can come from this. There’s a reason those animals aren’t here anymore, nature, or whoever you pray to, selected them out. Pretending to ever know the downstream consequences of bringing back extinct species is beyond idiotic. The vast majority of the human caused introductions of living animals all have negative ecological consequences.


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The animal that is the most invasive species ever, and has the most severe negative ecological consequences seems to be Homo sapiens. Not that I’m pro dire wolf.

The reduction of human population will be bad for existing economic systems, which are so based on consumption of resources that we call their individual units consumers. It might be good for the longevity of our home planet.

 

[MCS]

I've been wondering what predator could run fast enough to drive the evolution of antelope running speeds. You might have just answered it.

The American cheetah is probably why the pronghorn can run so fast.

 

[canyonhunter47]

It really makes no sense to created an apex predator first without a food base.

https://www.blm.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2024-03/2024_HMA-HA_PopStats_2-29-2024_COMBINED_Clean_FINAL_web.pdf

 

[omicron1792]

No, This is not a dire wolf, it is a grey wolf where 15 genes were edited by CRISPR to make a grey/dire hybrid. Grey and dire wolf genomes are 99.5% identical and the new wolf is ~99.9% grey wolf with ~20 changes across 15 genes. These genes were selected for traits such as size and color. Other genes they tried were lethal or caused genetic abnormalities. The wolf genome has about 2.45 billion base pairs. The genetic difference between the grey and dire wolf is about 12,000 base pairs. The scientists only made about 20 changes!

This represents an important scientific breakthrough, but does not restore an extinct species (not even close). This barely scratches the surface of the genetic modifications necessary to re-create a dire wolf, which is not possible at this time. Typical news media hype, all bark and no bite.

Lots of “unimportant” dna in a genome though. If you change the important ones that differentiate the direwolf from the grey wolf then that’s all that matters IMO.

 

[Jimmy]

Imagine trying to explain this to our ancestors....

 

[elkhunter505]

https://www.blm.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2024-03/2024_HMA-HA_PopStats_2-29-2024_COMBINED_Clean_FINAL_web.pdf

You get a gold star for that one ️

 

[ODB]

I heard a short interview with the guy and well, nah. A lot of “working with” this or that group and ancestral memories that were probably the dire wolf etc etc.

For transparency they should be required to show pics of all the progenic failures. Making a few cute, phenotypically appealing pups and then using the word “de-extinction” smells a lot like a money grab to me.

 

[Gila]

The Dire wolf was selected by nature for extinction. Man had nothing to do with it. We are back to the Jurassic park syndrome again. It isn’t really a Dire wolf anyway just a handful of traits added to a Gray wolf observed from ancient DNA. They look like a dire wolf just like a bison looks like a bison. I say that because there are no buffalo in North America that do not have bovine DNA. Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota has the healthiest herd in the USA. Obviously we dare not release a predator in the wild that isn’t already there. The Gray wolf should not have ever been listed. The release in Colorado will eventually cause a disaster. The Lobos are approaching or have already approached the numbers that they could be delisted. NWS recommended last fall that they be delisted…Red wolf still in trouble and needs protection and restoration efforts.

 

[wildwilderness]

https://www.blm.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2024-03/2024_HMA-HA_PopStats_2-29-2024_COMBINED_Clean_FINAL_web.pdf

Would be great to train them to hunt feral equines!

 

[Gila]

I heard a short interview with the guy and well, nah. A lot of “working with” this or that group and ancestral memories that were probably the dire wolf etc etc.

For transparency they should be required to show pics of all the progenic failures. Making a few cute, phenotypically appealing pups and then using the word “de-extinction” smells a lot like a money grab to me.

Good for the zoos, I suspect. A “Pleistocene Park” would be really cool…

 

[Nine Banger]

I think that would be the now extinct American cheetah (Miracinonyx)

Yes. We learned this at the museum in Casper when we were killing time after our group tagged out.

 

[Broken Twigg]

What do you do with them?

I heard that Colorado is already getting signatures for a ballot petition to reintroduce them in '26. Denver is taking the lead on it. That's what some people are saying...

 

[Swamp Fox]

Would be great to train them to hunt feral equines!

https://i.gifer.com/1v27.mp4

 

[Hnthrdr]

I just googled Willow Death Dogs, and what the HELL is that movie???

Dude you never saw Willow? It’s a classic

 

[Hnthrdr]

What an amazing case study in how the public's reaction is completely based on the narrative...
manipulating species to make ribeyes 50% bigger - horrible
modifying corn so it is roundup resistant - god awful
raising big horn x marco polo crosses - prison worthy

making cute hybrid dire wolf x grey wolf puppies, inspired by a cool TV show - AWESOME!

Hey the big horn x Marco Polo cross maybe onto something. I would 100% introducing those critters if big horns couldn’t make it anymore in certain ranges

 

[Rokbar]

I really hope they succeed on bringing back the Woolley Mammoth and Tasmanian Tiger.

And Neanderthals!

 

[mt terry d]

CRISPR is cool technology but it is a lot of power and the people that wield it need to recognize the level of power that they have in their hands.

I'm absolutely positive they do.
And that's why they're doing it.

Too bad this guy wasn't a connected billionaire.

Montana Man Sentenced to 6 Months in Prison for Smuggling, Cloning, and Breeding Giant Hybrid Sheep

An 81-year-old man was sentenced to six months in prison for his yearslong effort to create giant hybrid sheep for captive hunting operations.

www.outdoorlife.com