Cecil

[rodney482]

If i were a greedy PH? Yes

I would have played it off like all was well.

*im not saying what I would personally do. I am theorizing on what might have happened

Would you have said that knowing it was illegal? Remember there was 55g's on the line?

Knowing you I don't think you would have.

 

[rodney482]

100% yes he should be questioned.

And if Palmer knew what he was doing was illegal he should be prosecuted with the other turds

Yea, I think that's a reasonable scenario. And it's entirely possible that the first inclination he had that anything had been illegal was when his name showed up in headlines. But you still haven't disagreed with my larger argument--we can quibble over hypothetical scenarios about how it all went down all day.

Do you think that authorities should not contact him? Once they arrested the guide and PH, should they have not thought it reasonable to question the hunter and see what he knew at the time? Should they have tried to keep it a secret so that Walter Palmer never found out that he had killed the lion illegally?

 

[tipsntails7]

If i were a greedy PH? Yes

I would have played it off like all was well.

*im not saying what I would personally do. I am theorizing on what might have happened

Agreed. That's why anyone I know that goes to Africa I tell them to check, and make sure their shits wired right. Cash is king down there and morals are very much lacking.

If he was hunting leopards and the lion walked in and the PH told him let it fly, that's shitty, because he will pay for the PH being an ass

 

[rodney482]

I think the PH admitted that he told Palmer to shoot the lion.

From my understanding the PH is 100% responsible if they tell a client to do something that is illegal.

This is how I see this playing out.

Heavy fines for the yahoos in africa.
Palmer will not be charged
Palmer sues the outfitter and gets a settlement.

In 6 weeks people will give zero cares about Palmer or Cecil.

Look at Michael Vic and the pitbulls.

Agreed. That's why anyone I know that goes to Africa I tell them to check, and make sure their shits wired right. Cash is king down there and morals are very much lacking.

If he was hunting leopards and the lion walked in and the PH told him let it fly, that's shitty, because he will pay for the PH being an ass

 

[IdahoElk]

If you're so desperate for attention that you purposely post pictures on a public forum of yourself over a dead Lion,Wolf,Elephant,Bear or any other lightning rod animal then you deserve what comes after.
This guy obviously wasn't very bright.

 

[rodney482]

Is that how it works?
Im guessing thats like 75% of us.

Being proud of a nice kill translates into desperate for attention?

I guess we should just hide so as not to ruff feathers.

If you're so desperate for attention that you purposely post pictures on a public forum of yourself over a dead Lion,Wolf,Elephant,Bear or any other lightning rod animal then you deserve what comes after.
This guy obviously wasn't very bright.

 

[realunlucky]

Is that how it works?
Im guessing thats like 75% of us.

Being proud of a nice kill translates into desperate for attention?

I guess we should just hide so as not to ruff feathers.

I agree with you Rodney but with haters within our own ranks try to minimize any accomplishment of some one doing something they didn't.

It goes the other way to now though with some people doing whatever it takes to impress the rank and file that they short cut or bypass the rules to have "SUCCESS"

I take it with a grain of salt what others do and try to ensure I'm not tempted by that kind of SUCCESS

 

[Finch]

It amazes me there's this much uproar about a damn lion than the whole planned parenthood ordeal.

'Merica!

 

[cuerro viejo]

If you're so desperate for attention that you purposely post pictures on a public forum of yourself over a dead Lion,Wolf,Elephant,Bear or any other lightning rod animal then you deserve what comes after.
This guy obviously wasn't very bright.

Im sorry forgive me if I'm wrong

But are you not on a hunting forum to learn and share knowledge, success, and campfires? Or to just belittle those that dare to post what they feel was a well earn part of that adventure?

Lighting rod animal... WTH?? Heard it all now it's ok to post herbivores guys and gals but we should belittle and ban your arse if you post a dead predator... Wow. SMH.

 

[bourbon]

It amazes me there's this much uproar about a damn lion than the whole planned parenthood ordeal.

'Merica!

 

[IdahoElk]

Do whatever you like, as long as it is a legal harvest more power to you,congratulations,I'll buy you a beer.
All I meant to say is when you post pictures of certain animals(Lion,Bear,Elephant,Wolf) be prepared for the crazies to come out of the woodwork to turn your life upside down.
Oh and I got that term from the late Jay Massey while he was at our elk camp 25yrs ago,I didn't make it up.

 

[rodney482]

I know what your saying! Its all good

Do whatever you like, as long as it is a legal harvest more power to you,congratulations,I'll buy you a beer.
All I meant to say is when you post pictures of certain animals(Lion,Bear,Elephant,Wolf) be prepared for the crazies to come out of the woodwork to turn your life upside down.
Oh and I got that term from the late Jay Massey while he was at our elk camp 25yrs ago,I didn't make it up.

 

[traviswdalton]

It would seem that after the treyvon and ferguson incidents people would learn to wait until after the trial before pronouncing guilt. In both cases the accused was found guilty by the media but after an investigation of the facts they were found innocent. Is this guy innocent? The answer is yes until proven guilty. I'm surprised a witness hasn't come forward and testified how Cecil had his hands up and was shot in the back.

 

[unchained]

If anyone is interested in hunting a lion, come to Milwaukee. There is a supposed lion running around the "hood" here. One of the citizens of this area even shot a dog claiming he thought it was the lion

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/23/milwaukee-man-shoots-dog-mistaking-it-for-reported-lion/

The shooter was not publicly blasted by the media, the dog is named "spike"

There is currently no quota for pitbulls in this zone

 

[hunting1]

If he broke the law then great punish accordingly! It is a black eye, but don't call poachers hunters!

It has more to do with distracting of killing babies and selling their parts than anything. I can't believe in this great country we worry about lions and athletes getting sex changes than what should be our priorities...

 

[JWP58]

It seems in today's world everyone is just looking for something to be outraged over. It seems the hardcore left is the best at attracting the most easily outraged.

I could not care less about some lion..whether it has a name or not.

Call me crazy but I care about our multi trillion dollar debt, babies being butchered for $$, etc, etc. Apparently Bernie sanders also forgot "feline lives matter" too.

 

[Carolina joe]

I'm with you finch!

 

[Kevin Dill]

This whole 'Dentist Kills Cecil' headline is hotter than a blowtorch right now, but I predict it will not sustain itself. I think there's a better than average chance it will lead to some type of movement which will further restrict what African animals can be hunted or imported by US citizens. Call it the CF (confederate flag) effect. Lion hunting is indefensible to probably 80+% of Americans (blame the media!) and defending it would be a political hot potato. We're going to see a storm brewing...a hard one to stop.

One of the saddest things for me personally? It's those hunters who are busy doing their best to portray us as callous and insensitive defenders of the right to kill lions or anything we damn well please as long as we have the proper documents. When I see things like "stupid lion" or other unthinking garbage, I know the ARAs and anti-hunters are gathering the low-hanging fruit with a smile. This is a very good time to let the fire rage and burn up the trash...but don't throw unnecessary extra trash on it.

I'll never hunt lions, but it's somehow important to me to know that hunters have the chance to do so in a free-range setting and by fair-chase means. This situation threatens that without a doubt.

 

[Poser]

Could this have any real potential blowback for US hunters, particularly mountain lion hunters?

 

[charvey9]

It pays to let the information unfold before jumping to conclusions. I'm still not completely aware of the facts, and probably never will be, but it certainly seems some illegal activity took place. I don't think any reasonable hunter would object to a poacher being handled accordingly if, in fact, any laws/regulations where broken. However, I am tired of reading the ignorant opinions on legal baiting and hunting "near" established boundaries. A line is a line. No different than hunting elk on the public land surrounding Yellowstone.

For those I've read hint at the illegal shooting and burial of wolves on this forum, I hope this scenario serves as a lesson of what those actions could become. It is just not worth it.

I refuse to refer to the lion by a given name. It is a wild animal, and I wish we would stop humanizing these creatures. It is naïve and disrespectful to treat them like pets. We have earned our place at the top of the food chain, and although animals can be companions or serve various other purposes, at the end of the day many are just a source of food....or direct competition for our food. The death of a Lion should not be the social issue it has exploded into.

Yet, if you sit back and take it ALL in, it is the hypocrisy on both sides that really makes me shake my head. I will generalize based on many of the comments I have seen, but it seems a common thread that most of "us" are upset that the death of a Lion gets more attention than the loss of human life. At the same time, many of the same people who have expressed that opinion get upset when a shooting occurs and the "left" lashes out in protest to proposes more gun control. The arguments contradict.

People get mad when others protest, telling them to leave if they don't like it here...and then will turn right around and continue to complain about the things in our country they don't like without any intention of relocating. Can you really have it both ways?

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I wish more would accept that differing opinions are permissible. My wife is borderline vegetarian, she is against most hunting, and falls to the left on many social issues. I, on the other hand, see things from a completely different perspective....yet we have been together over a decade with killing one another. The problem lies in attempting to force opinions/beliefs on the masses to the point that each side has to push to the extreme in either direction, just so that we can have some sort of balance in the "middle". Its all very exhausting to watch unfold.