BC mountain goat hunting film, french perspective

[Formidilosus]

This seems like it is devolving into the typical "if you use a guide, you are just a trigger puller" internet diatribes.

Is it a rant? Or is it a discussion about a video that was posted?

In any case- no, the moment you pay someone to do your work, it is not “your” doing. There is a different between “required by law, but I did everything I possibly could”; and “I paid someone to know the area, know the animals, carry most of the weight, lead me to the animal, I shot it, the guide recovered it, butchered it, and carried most of the weight”.

Yes, there are lots of areas in between. The video shows something that resembles the latter, not the former.

There is a lot that happens before and after the trigger is pulled on any hunt, and trying to define a hunt based on unfounded assumptions about a singular aspect of it seems pointless.
And where do you draw the line? Is it "your hunt" if your hunting partner glasses up an animal you shoot? Tracks and locates an animal you killed before you do? Helps pack out an animal you shot? Holds a leg while you are skinning? I've done all that for guys I have hunted with and never once thought that stopped it from being their hunt or that they shouldn't be shooting animals as a result.

You are using strawmen and logical fallacies. We are not discussing hunting with your partner. We are discussing what is presented in a video that was pushed out for media, about a guy who shot an animal and then let other people- including someone that wasn’t the guide, go to retrieve that animal while the shooter went back to camp.

 

[prm]

Does anyone have any facts as to the circumstances for him not going up? Did he get hurt? Did he say F-it I’m not going up there? Did the group plan for this? Discuss opinions, but difficult to judge with no facts about the circumstances.

 

[gerry35]

Not sure why it matters to anyone why a group of people decided what was the best outcome of a difficult situation. None of us were there so we don't know what happened exactly. Goat hunting can go sideways in an instant was my point earlier. I'm out have a great day.

 

[f16jack]

Folks generally do what they can. Its great just to be outdoors and participating. If a guy can do it all, great. If he has 75%, just fine. It's possible I used to do more when I was younger. I still think I can do everything, but my wife cautions me, just like Maverick, not "to write checks that my body can't cash." (I was an F-16 fighter pilot).
So, let's be hesitant to criticize or get too deep into into a purist discussion. It sounds like long bows vs. recurves, recurves s vs. compounds, low % of letoff vs. high % of let off, compounds vs. crossbows, ... .
We all enjoy hunting and chatting about it. The experience, the gear, the friendship. That's what we take home with us.
I did go after and get my goat, some years back. Followed by a night on the mountain.
You can see it here:

F16Jack

 

[medvedyt]

Thanks for sharing, it's neat to see a multicultural perspective on this hunt. I found the cooking scene especially interesting.

watch the movie based on argentina and red deer you will love the cooking session: incredible.

 

[fuzzymarindave]

Enjoyed the video. I recognized the Terrace BC airport as I was just up there in January to ski out of Stewart BC.. Those mountains are endless.

 

[Short Track]

YXT airport from NY is 2 connections, and 15 hours. Goat in BC is my dream, but a logical nightmare.

 

[medvedyt]

YXT airport from NY is 2 connections, and 15 hours. Goat in BC is my dream, but a logical nightmare.

how come that far ... just a jump to vancouver i doubt it is a long flight longer than going to beijing lol ... unless you are counting the stopover time ... come here it is way shorter lol

 

[Short Track]

its 2 connections. there is no other way from jfk. Unless I want to stay in Vancouver overnight in a hotel. Then it's 1 connection, but 2 days later.....

 

[Marbles]

This is my opinion…

Then those people shouldn’t be shooting animals. If someone else is doing the work, it isn’t “your” animal. It’s akin to having a pimp bring you a call girl, and then talking about how good a lover you are.

People get to think what they want. I need to watch the video, but agree with your points.

This is similar to mountain climbing and people who have a team of 6 Sherpas, never carry full gear, and dope to summit Everest. It is why just submitting a famous mountain no longer earns my respect, I want to know how it was done. Same for sheep and goats, just killing one doesn't mean someone worked. It is the work that I respect, not the title event most focus on and can be bought.

It is a continuum, no black and white dividing line, but certainly possible to say where an effort generally falls.

The more proud someone is, the closer they had better be to the worked hard side of that for me to give any respect, the more humble, the less hard they need to have worked. It is something that is very much about the individual, but that also involves interpretation, and not everyone will see it the same.

 

[medvedyt]

its 2 connections. there is no other way from jfk. Unless I want to stay in Vancouver overnight in a hotel. Then it's 1 connection, but 2 days later.....

ok this is not the flight time ... get it. like us when we want to go east and the last flight is cancelled ... driving might worth your trip.

 

[medvedyt]

People get to think what they want. I need to watch the video, but agree with your points.

This is similar to mountain climbing and people who have a team of 6 Sherpas, never carry full gear, and dope to summit Everest. It is why just submitting a famous mountain no longer earns my respect, I want to know how it was done. Same for sheep and goats, just killing one doesn't mean someone worked. It is the work that I respect, not the title event most focus on and can be bought.

It is a continuum, no black and white dividing line, but certainly possible to say where an effort generally falls.

The more proud someone is, the closer they had better be to the worked hard side of that for me to give any respect, the more humble, the less hard they need to have worked. It is something that is very much about the individual, but that also involves interpretation, and not everyone will see it the same.

i will not even judge an hunter that needs to use on top of the guide a gear hauler ... for sheep or goat hunting.

 

[Mtndawger]

I like this thread and the discussion it has spurred whether that was intended or not. I’m cautious of getting too deep in the philosophical weeds on Internet forums. Oftentimes we can’t distill life down to pure logic. I tend to reserve judgment about other’s intentions, experiences and motivations. To me, I hunt because I want the total experience of it. The dreaming, planning, preparation. The physical effort and the difficulty at times. I want to whole thing, getting pushed mentally and physically, which is why I’m there, not just the pulling of the trigger. I want to live fully and authentically. The most poignant criticism I have here based on my own biased pov is the sensationalist nature of the film really detracts from the basic story. It smacks of inauthenticity TO ME. Maybe not to you. It portrays hunting as a commodity not an experience. We aren’t out hunting and thinking of it as a heroic quest are we? Finally, whether we accept it or not, in today’s world our personal actions have a very wide reach. We are ambassadors and our portrayals of hunting reach out to more then the hunting world and are increasingly being used against us by folks that want to end it. Killing and eating your own game is the primary point of support for the nonhunting public. I’m not sure if that message is being supported very well by this media. Just food for thought.