7mm REM Mag-No Dial Project

[Kjc103]

You have about the best hunting dialing scope around, however you choose not to dial……

Correct.

If it’s only a couple mills, I would just use the holdovers in the reticle.

That’s faster and simpler.

At least, that’s the idea.

 

[Kjc103]

And a great reticle for holdovers, yet he wants to play Kentucky windage (

I am familiar with “Kentucky windage” but that’s not relevant to the topic being discussed here.

 

[Kjc103]

I like my clicky scopes. What’s wrong with dialing?

Nothing!

However, holding stadia in the reticle is quicker. Usually limited to shorter ranges though.

I’m working out how far that range can reliably be pushed.

Also, I leave the SWFA capped. Less chance for the turret to get bumped.

 

[WCB]

Nothing!

However, holding stadia in the reticle is quicker. Usually limited to shorter ranges though.

I’m working out how far that range can reliably be pushed.

Also, I leave the SWFA capped. Less chance for the turret to get bumped.

So you just are going to holding using MILs on the reticle instead of dialing to 650yds then dial from there?

What the hell is the point of this post? That is literally why the MIL system is put into the reticle (along with range estimation).

 

[alexnelon]

Even within this idea, the 300 yard zero doesn't make sense. With a 100 yard zero, aiming high lungs is in the vitals to 300 anyway even without dialing or holding over.

You still have to hold over at 350+ so why worry about holding under from 0-300 (where probably 90% of your shots will be) just to save .5 mil at 450?

 

[WeiserBucks]

I started playing with the ballistics in my calculator

Have you ever shot far enough to need a calculator or is this all theoretical?

 

[TaperPin]

Even within this idea, the 300 yard zero doesn't make sense. With a 100 yard zero, aiming high lungs is in the vitals to 300 anyway even without dialing or holding over.

You still have to hold over at 350+ so why worry about holding under from 0-300 (where probably 90% of your shots will be) just to save .5 mil at 450?

Why wouldn’t someone simply hold a hand width low at 100 and 200 yards? A 300 yard zero doesn’t mean someone has to hold in the middle and hope for the best. A hand width gets the point of aim within an inch and everyone has a ruler on the end of their arms to judge what a hand width is so it’s not difficult.

 

[alexnelon]

Why wouldn’t someone simply hold a hand width low at 100 and 200 yards? A 300 yard zero doesn’t mean someone has to hold in the middle and hope for the best. A hand width gets the point of aim within an inch and everyone has a ruler on the end of their arms to judge what a hand width is so it’s not difficult.

Why is holding a hand low from 0-250 better than holding a hand high from 250-300?

 

[TaperPin]

Why is holding a hand low from 0-250 better than holding a hand high from 250-300?

In one afternoon it’s easy enough to teach a teenager to ring 10” plates from 100 to 400 yards with a 300 yard zero, and for adults it’s definitely the fastest way to ring all four plates as fast as the bolt can be worked.

Not to be a nit picker, but if you hold a hand width high with a 100 yard zero in the 7 mag it misses a 300 yard 10” vital zone completely. It also takes away the ability to easily judge 350 and 400 yard holds. With a 300 yard zero 350 is hand width high and 400 is either on he back of a mule deer or two hand widths high. Easy peazy.

 

[JGRaider]

In one afternoon it’s easy enough to teach a teenager to ring 10” plates from 100 to 400 yards with a 300 yard zero, and for adults it’s definitely the fastest way to ring all four plates as fast as the bolt can be worked.

Not to be a nit picker, but if you hold a hand width high with a 100 yard zero in the 7 mag it misses a 300 yard 10” vital zone completely. It also takes away the ability to easily judge 350 and 400 yard holds. With a 300 yard zero 350 is hand width high and 400 is either on he back of a mule deer or two hand widths high. Easy peazy.

That's why I said 3" high at 100 POI in my post. I lost track of the # of aoudad an deer I killed like that before rangefinders existed.

 

[Macintosh]

MPBR has a dozen hotly debated threads on this forum. It works, unequivocally. It also has unequivocal shortcomings, which increase as you push the range further. Some people manage this OK, lots cant, or at a minimum have an easier time doing things a different way (dialing). BUT, I would be willing to bet that 99.9% of the folks out there, even those who use a MPBR zero, would agree that 650 yards is WAY too far to push this.

Using reticle holdovers is also highly dependent on the reticle. Any reticle I've used that is precise enough to shoot reliably at 650 yards, is un-useable at short range (ie lowest magnification). That's a deal-breaker for me. With a reticle I can use well at low magnification, I am not able to be precise enough past 350-400 yards.

IMO for general purpose hunting, regardless of how you deal with 250-400 yards, past there about everyone on the planet I've ever shot with is better off dialing.