Tobe_B
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Haha who added ‘chupacabra’ to the title? That’s awesome.
To hell with who added it to the title! I want to see the necropsy photos! I have no idea how I missed those.
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Haha who added ‘chupacabra’ to the title? That’s awesome.
I didn’t care for the on game performance of 77 grain TMKs when shooting whitetails. I’ll continue to target and varmint shoot with them, though.Can you present data from the TMK bad side? I've yet to see any data, but would really like to.
That's an impressive blood trail!
223 on walrus
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I rest my case.Can you present data from the TMK bad side? I've yet to see any data, but would really like to.
223 on walrus
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The muzzle. Fortunately energy has nothing to do with with a bullets ability to kill.At what distance does this 77gr .223 load drop below 1400 ft pounds of energy? That would be my limit.
Mackey
My response is not intended to be personal, but I find your argument to be lacking merit. There are over 7400 posts on this thread and hundreds of game animals of multiple species documented here. With the number of people who post about being butt-hurt about someone else choosing to use a 22 centerfire with a TMK or ELDM/X on big game, what do you think the probability is of there being a raft of people who use the combo, experience a failure, but fail to report it? Ever hear of Occam’s Razor? This is the internet, man. If there is drama we would be hearing about it. Instead we get people over and over stating their opinion that using 22 centerfires on anything bigger than a hamster is a bad idea without any data. At what point does one recognize this confirmation bias thing as a conspiracy theory and move on? If you really feel that strongly about this whole thing, why not try using the combo on game within the limitations presented and report you own findings? Based on the data presented, if you put the bullet in the vitals any critter listed in the thread title (except Chupacabras) will die quickly and the only negative comment posted is that the bullet may not exit. I will be using a 223 and TMKs this fall and will report what happens from my own perspective. Feel free to do the same.I rest my case.
I don’t think this is a super helpful response. @Marbles asked you for your opinion on the negatives of TMK based on your experience — and you’ve got a ton of experience culling deer with 22 caliber bullets. You could’ve just chosen to share your experience.I rest my case.
My response is not intended to be personal, but I find your argument to be lacking merit. There are over 7400 posts on this thread and hundreds of game animals of multiple species documented here. With the number of people who post about being butt-hurt about someone else choosing to use a 22 centerfire with a TMK or ELDM/X on big game, what do you think the probability is of there being a raft of people who use the combo, experience a failure, but fail to report it? Ever hear of Occam’s Razor? This is the internet, man. If there is drama we would be hearing about it. Instead we get people over and over stating their opinion that using 22 centerfires on anything bigger than a hamster is a bad idea without any data. At what point does one recognize this confirmation bias thing as a conspiracy theory and move on? If you really feel that strongly about this whole thing, why not try using the combo on game within the limitations presented and report you own findings? Based on the data presented, if you put the bullet in the vitals any critter listed in the thread title (except Chupacabras) will die quickly and the only negative comment posted is that the bullet may not exit. I will be using a 223 and TMKs this fall and will report what happens from my own perspective. Feel free to do the same.
I think it would be useful for the 77grn TMK mist to be cleared from some people's eyes. As much as this thread illustrates they work very well it also shows that there is a cluster of other projectiles that are also very effective. We shouldn't be blinded to that. They don't need to be listed 'cos as the fans say, "read the thread".
I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if the only projectile I could use on deer in my .223 was a Gameking. The weight wouldn't concern me much.
@TahrI think there is a bit of mis-communication here...
@Tahr is not denying the viability of .223 at all, in fact he has posted quite a few results on game using a .223 with a different bullet than the TMK. His point appears to be that there are other bullets in the .223 caliber that are very effective.
At what distance does this 77gr .223 load drop below 1400 ft pounds of energy? That would be my limit.
Mackey
I’ve used on 2 coyotes with good success, so no expert, but I thought I read where @Formidilosus has said they will disrupt down to about 140077 grain TMK killers... I plan to kill a pile of big game animals this year with these bullets.
I think I’ve read in here and other threads that somewhere around 1,800 FPS for velocity is the “minimum”. Can anyone who’s killed with these regularity and reliably, comment on if I am reading that incorrectly?
I want to have a solid big game yardage “cutoff”. Nothing to crazy detailed because obviously there are other factors involved, but a good starting point baseline is what I’m after here.
1800fps minimum for reliable upset and fragmentation. For most 223 rem's that puts max effective range around 400-450 yds depending on muzzle velo.77 grain TMK killers... I plan to kill a pile of big game animals this year with these bullets.
I think I’ve read in here and other threads that somewhere around 1,800 FPS for velocity is the “minimum”. Can anyone who’s killed with these regularity and reliably, comment on if I am reading that incorrectly?
I want to have a solid big game yardage “cutoff”. Nothing to crazy detailed because obviously there are other factors involved, but a good starting point baseline is what I’m after here.
Well, I rest my case that you have no case. What, that is a completely worthless jib that serves no purpose, I take it back.I rest my case.