.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[atmat]

Haha who added ‘chupacabra’ to the title? That’s awesome.

 

[IDVortex]

I guess a young nanny wasn't good enough to get the title changed to include mountain goat. I'll try to get a good billy this season, then maybe you guys will be proud of me... maybe my Dad will be too...

Where did I miss this at?

 

[Antares]

Where did I miss this at?

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...walrus-and-moose.130488/page-248#post-3322337

 

[IDVortex]

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...walrus-and-moose.130488/page-248#post-3322337

That's legit!

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Looking for Chupacabra honey holes. Willing to hike.

Will accept bigfoot honey holes as well. Do I need more "knockdown power" for bigfoot though?? Not sure if a .223 has enough energy.

 

[IDVortex]

Looking for Chupacabra honey holes. Willing to hike.

Will accept bigfoot honey holes as well. Do I need more "knockdown power" for bigfoot though?? Not sure if a .223 has enough energy.

You'll need a .270.

 

[PsRpOiGrRiAtM]

You'll need a .270.

Maybe for a Tule Bigfoot. For a big Yukon you need a .338 Win Mag or bigger.

 

[Marbles]

The title change is great.

 

[Tahr]

It’s a polarizing topic because many have strongly held opinions that are not always based on data.

Only data that is objectively considered is valid. Confirmation bias is selecting data to confirm your belief. Plenty of that going on. On both sides of the TMK fence.

 

[ElPollo]

Only data that is objectively considered is valid. Confirmation bias is selecting data to confirm your belief. Plenty of that going on. On both sides of the TMK fence.

Please tell us about this confirmation bias.

 

[Marbles]

Only data that is objectively considered is valid. Confirmation bias is selecting data to confirm your belief. Plenty of that going on. On both sides of the TMK fence.

Can you present data from the TMK bad side? I've yet to see any data, but would really like to.

 

[Mulyhuntr]

so last fall due to this thread I loaded up some 77 gr tmk and gave them to a buddy to try, sounded like the perfect round for his kids who are getting into hunting, and are needing something light recoiling. We both have tikka 8 twist 223s. I tried varget, h 4895, and imr 8208 before settling on 8208 cause thats the only one i could bet 2800+ out of. I have since switched to tac with the same speeds and accuracy and its findable. I was never able to get better groups than a consistent 1 inch 5 shot group. Despite both our guns shooting much much better accuracy with a lot of other bullets, mostly 50-55 gr varmint bullets, never tried heavier. I have aftermarket mags which allow me to seat anywhere I please, everything was tried.

So all together they shot 6 deer with them and here is where it gets interesting. Low 2800s muzzle velocity.

All shot broadside behind shoulder at 90 yards and under. No big whitetail bucks, all does and spikes. 3 went down fast. 1 stumbled 50 yards and left a lot of blood. 2 ran 50 to 60 yards and left 0 blood . 0 of 6 bullets exited. Nothing really found under the hide or inside besides shrapnel. Big holes in first lung, a lot smaller hole in second. No bones hit besides ribs. bullets seemed very splashy, not alot of penetration at these closer ranges. Honestly a tough 55 gr sp from speer, sierra or hornady(they all make a tough sp 55gr 22 cal) does better penetration wise.

H4895 with 75 eldm gets me 2940-2950 from a 22" tikka. What was your charge weight?

 

[Tobe_B]

Haha who added ‘chupacabra’ to the title? That’s awesome.

To hell with who added it to the title! I want to see the necropsy photos! I have no idea how I missed those.


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[N2TRKYS]

Can you present data from the TMK bad side? I've yet to see any data, but would really like to.

I didn’t care for the on game performance of 77 grain TMKs when shooting whitetails. I’ll continue to target and varmint shoot with them, though.

 

[LongWayAround]

223 on walrus


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That's an impressive blood trail!

What bullet? How many shots?

Also, what do you all do with a walrus?

 

[Tahr]

Can you present data from the TMK bad side? I've yet to see any data, but would really like to.

I rest my case.

 

[BLJ]

223 on walrus


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62 grain FMJ again??

 

[Drenalin]

I think the downsides expressed to this point have centered around exits (seems to be a coin flip whether it will or won't) and lack of blood trails. Neither have been an issue for me in a relatively small sample size. I'm also only considering the downsides with TMK and ELDM bullets; I personally don't give a rip about any others and haven't paid attention to what's been posted about them.

 

[Mackey]

At what distance does this 77gr .223 load drop below 1400 ft pounds of energy? That would be my limit.

Mackey

 

[Machingeaneer]

At what distance does this 77gr .223 load drop below 1400 ft pounds of energy? That would be my limit.

Mackey

The muzzle. Fortunately energy has nothing to do with with a bullets ability to kill.