.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

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Back to the 223. Took my 13 yo out shooting today. Prone from the truck bed at 300yds. Easily got him ringing 10” steel with a 10-20mph variable cross wind. Let him put 20 rounds down range then he took a shot with my carbon stocked, light 270 with its sharp kick. One shot with a direct hit then a comment that this thing hurts.

Easy to show why 223 practice is key.


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After digging some more I think 223 is the least caliber for big game in TN. Now although a perfect shot will kill anything no way would I hunt anything over a coyote size animal with a 223. Bigger rounds equal better velocity and higher kinetic energy on impact = more clean ethical kills without perfect shots. No way you have a better shot placement with a .223 regularly than with a larger more sufficient caliber for such large gamevas Bear and Elk etc.... but I'm an FNG so what the hell do I know 😆 🤣 😂
 
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After digging some more I think 223 is the least caliber for big game in TN. Now although a perfect shot will kill anything no way would I hunt anything over a coyote size animal with a 223. Bigger rounds equal better velocity and higher kinetic energy on impact = more clean ethical kills without perfect shots. No way you have a better shot placement with a .223 regularly than with a larger more sufficient caliber for such large gamevas Bear and Elk etc.... but I'm an FNG so what the hell do I know 😆 🤣 😂
Welcome to the forum.

Recommend you spend some time and read this thread in its entirety. It’ll offer some insight. There are many, many other informative threads across the various pages with lots of first hand objective insight as to what works and why.

Indeed there is a lot to learn.
 

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After digging some more I think 223 is the least caliber for big game in TN. Now although a perfect shot will kill anything no way would I hunt anything over a coyote size animal with a 223. Bigger rounds equal better velocity and higher kinetic energy on impact = more clean ethical kills without perfect shots. No way you have a better shot placement with a .223 regularly than with a larger more sufficient caliber for such large gamevas Bear and Elk etc.... but I'm an FNG so what the hell do I know 😆 🤣 😂
Have you read this thread? 🧐
 
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Welcome to the forum.

Recommend you spend some time and read this thread in its entirety. It’ll offer some insight. There are many, many other informative threads across the various pages with lots of first hand objective insight as to what works and why.

Indeed there is a lot to learn.
Thank you for the much needed redirect. I will read the posts contained in this thread. First hand knowledge always trumps anecdotal info.
 

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After digging some more I think 223 is the least caliber for big game in TN. Now although a perfect shot will kill anything no way would I hunt anything over a coyote size animal with a 223. Bigger rounds equal better velocity and higher kinetic energy on impact = more clean ethical kills without perfect shots. No way you have a better shot placement with a .223 regularly than with a larger more sufficient caliber for such large gamevas Bear and Elk etc.... but I'm an FNG so what the hell do I know 😆 🤣 😂

Actually, we can use any centerfire cartridge. No restrictions whatsoever 😉

And welcome to the forum from another TN resident!
 
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You guys are letting two dweebs on YouTube get to you. Most YouTube gun experts are ******* idiots to begin with. I made it seconds in the video, not far beyond where goober says people are “trying” to kill these animals with a 223… they aren’t trying, it clearly works. So at that point it was obvious where the bias was going.

They’re absolutely entitled to their beliefs about minimum cartridge as is everyone else. Thinking something larger is the minimum doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re clearly not analyzing the data when there’s lots of pics of dead animals as well as pics of internal damage on the very thread they reference.

Moral of the story, don’t put too much faith in what idiots on YouTube say. They get paid to make videos talking about stuff, so it clearly worked because the thread was linked here and people are clicking it and watching it so they’re making money for your views and everyone who clicks that video is helping line their pockets.
 
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After digging some more I think 223 is the least caliber for big game in TN. Now although a perfect shot will kill anything no way would I hunt anything over a coyote size animal with a 223. Bigger rounds equal better velocity and higher kinetic energy on impact = more clean ethical kills without perfect shots. No way you have a better shot placement with a .223 regularly than with a larger more sufficient caliber for such large gamevas Bear and Elk etc.... but I'm an FNG so what the hell do I know 😆 🤣 😂


First of all "bigger rounds" DO NOT = more velocity, there are plenty of big slow rounds. 45-70 is a great example. You can also have less bullet have more impact energy if it has significantly higher velocity.

Second, if you don't think you have better shot placement with a lower recoiling round then you obiously don't shoot much.

You can argue whether you believe 223 is enough to hunt big game with all day and you're not wrong for preferring something with more ass, but at least start with unflawed logic.

There's so many people who have not a clue, but they all have an opinion.
 
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First of all "bigger rounds" DO NOT = more velocity, there are plenty of big slow rounds. 45-70 is a great example. You can also have less bullet have more impact energy if it has significantly higher velocity.

Second, if you don't think you have better shot placement with a lower recoiling round then you obiously don't shoot much.

You can argue whether you believe 223 is enough to hunt big game with all day and you're not wrong for preferring something with more ass, but at least start with unflawed logic.

There's so many people who have not a clue, but they all have an opinion.
Shoot enough to know that I'm not shooting a deer with a 223 if I don't have to. As far as my flawed logic as you put it I'm fine with admitting if I'm wrong and in this case I'm sure I am, like I have stated before still haven't read the thread all the way through. And as far as opinions they are like Assholes the world's full of them.
 

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Shoot enough to know that I'm not shooting a deer with a 223 if I don't have to. As far as my flawed logic as you put it I'm fine with admitting if I'm wrong and in this case I'm sure I am, like I have stated before still haven't read the thread all the way through. And as far as opinions they are like Assholes the world's full of them.

This thread is popular for a reason. It isn’t based in theory or conjecture. It does expose false truisms in the gun world about caliber hunting efficacy.

I personally learned a LOT from it, and have no plans to hunt elk with a .223.

Welcome to the forum. I encourage you to read the full thread, as most of the arguments have already been hashed (and re-hashed).
 
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This thread is popular for a reason. It isn’t based in theory or conjecture. It does expose false truisms in the gun world about caliber hunting efficacy.

I personally learned a LOT from it, and have no plans to hunt elk with a .223.

Welcome to the forum. I encourage you to read the full thread, as most of the arguments have already been hashed (and the-hashed).
I definitely will.
 
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Out of everything Iv shot, if I could go back, I’d buy a few thousand 73 eldm. Assuming you’re shooting a tikka they will fit in the factory mag and factory tikka chambers seem to like them. They have a similar bc to the tmk.

Lapua is nowhere to be found right now but if you’re not going to lose your brass it’s what I prefer. Just less messing around with culling, removing primer crimps and everything else that sucks about cheap brass.

Nothing wrong with a big can.

In todays market, with a factory tikka I’d probably buy 200-400 adi 55 blitz king factory rounds off Global ordinance break in with those, and fill them up with tac tipped with a 73eldm. Primers are not crimped on the adi brass. I’ll never remove primer crimps from 223 brass again.


Being that you may shoot in the cold a lot I’d probably work up a Varget load as well. Unless Xbr every cokes back again.

^This.

I have some ADI brass from prior runs of Austrailian outback branded ADI ammo that used to be sold by global ordnance that measured more consistent weights than my lapua .223 brass and even a little more volume IIRC.

The last batch of ADI 55 SBK and 69 SMK i bought last winter seems to use a lower quality brass but that doesn't mean it's not useable. You get loaded ammo for damn near the same price as lapua component brass. My tikka doesn't like that last lot of 69 SMK but does ok with the 55 SBK.

It seems to like the 73 ELD factory ammo best of the factory options i've tried. Hard to spend time at the load bench when you can get factory 223 so cheap.
 
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