2022 Ford Lightning

[Boarmaster]

Products have lifecyles. Initial buyers of a new product are willing to pay more to have something new and understand that the product will be obsolete quickly. The initial target market are going to be suburban folk that use their pick up to drive 15 miles to work everyday and haul bikes , coolers and plastic kayaks on the weekends to their local recreational destinations. I live in a subdivision of roughly 20,000 residents. Their are hundreds if not a thousand pickups in here that never pull anything or go off road.
These are the type buyers for the electric vehicles at this time in their product lifecycle.
Their purchases will finance the future advances in technology that will make it possible to overcome the issues we all have pointed out. Personally I think the biggest issue for EVs to overcome is that gas powered vehicles are comfortable , reliable, relatively easy to maintain for years and years and the infrastructure is well in place. In other words they are efficient and convenient. We arent making the big jump from a horse and buggy to a gas powered vehicle here. Even that wasnt very smooth and not without risks and headaches.
Most of us wont see the benefit of buying a EV for some time. But make no mistake there will be plenty of buyers. Most of us arent the target market initially thats why they will be building fossil fuel vehicles for a long time.

 

[RyanT26]

Seems like people really want these electric vehicles to work. In some cases they might be just what you need to drive an hour or two to the office every day to plug it in and then turn around and drive home eight hours later, but then again so would public transportation.

 

[Crghss]

When it’s time for new vehicles (3-4 yrs) we‘ll probably get a Tesla and gas powered truck. I think for running to work/local errands EV will work great. For hunting/fishing/camping trips, EV doesn’t work at all.

For solar and wind to be viable energy sources they need batteries. Hugh batteries.

As more and more solar/wind sites come online in addition to more EV production there will be major demand for lithium. Which will drive battery prices why up. And that’s skipping the rest of the worlds needs.

While I like EV‘s the idea that we‘ll just build and distribute them with no disruption or unintended consequences is fool’s gold. There will be major challenges to over come.

There are no free rides....

 

[hibernation]

I’m all for innovation, just not tax payer funded innovation in today’s day of age.

Just as a side note, it's interesting to tally all the technologies we take for granted that only exist because of government-funded basic research. Microchips, the internet, most vaccines, GPS, MRIs, airbags, nuclear power... a lot of this stuff wouldn't exist if it relied on private investment, because it's hard for them to account for the long-term, far-reaching benefits. General purpose research is often funded by the government and I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.

 

[Opah]

201 in the quarter mile all electric

 

[Opah]

Just give me one that can drive me where ever I want to go, while I kick back and enjoy what ever I want to enjoy !

 

[sasquatch]

Just as a side note, it's interesting to tally all the technologies we take for granted that only exist because of government-funded basic research. Microchips, the internet, most vaccines, GPS, MRIs, airbags, nuclear power... a lot of this stuff wouldn't exist if it relied on private investment, because it's hard for them to account for the long-term, far-reaching benefits. General purpose research is often funded by the government and I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.

I see it as a huge problem, especially when only a small population of people are the ones paying into the system.

Look at the debt for all you need to know about what’s going on, govt funding everything ends in socialism. Private profits with socialized losses!! We fund all the research and development then have to buy the products from the businesses


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[Shraggs]

Only way I’d consider is if it had an onboard diesel generator to constantly charge when needed, I doubt it takes off, maybe a bunch will reserve but many will not follow through.

I bet towing the range is cut in half, so 115-150 miles then a 14-19hr charge unless you have a quick charge station to waste an hr at.

I like my diesel half ton with 22-30mpg and with an aux 55gal tank having a 2000 mile range or around 900 miles if towing.

I wonder how much a charge costs, especially when we have blackouts and issues like we did earlier this year.

This is the thing that makes any sense to me... use ability, self vehicle sustaining and for Ford ongoing sales.

Saw news segment that electric vehicles are being sold rapidly for gas after a year. Too inconvenient.

batteries are batteries, less efficient in cold. So I would use the small engine in the “frunk” to also power a low grade warmer to batteries.

 

[gelton]

 

[Tourguide]

Wonder how much it weighs..... I hear you can't keep tires and suspension on some electric power units due to weight... my brother in law is a Ford engineer and was trying to sell me on it this morning while fishing, no thanks, ill.keep burning gas and driving as far as I want whenever I want

 

[Like2hunt]

I could see why people who might only use them as a vehicle to run errands in would want one, but I don't think at this point I'd consider one. I live in a small town and work on a farm and theres no way the electric trucks that we currently have could match the trucks we use on the farm. Could you imagine hauling a trailer load of 1 ton bales or a horse trailer with a electric truck? You wouldn't get anything at all done. You'd spend all your time charging your truck while nothing gets done Maybe some day they'll have trucks that can pull big loads for a long time or cars that go for the whole day without needing charged but I'll stick with my gas and diesel vehicles for now. Maybe some day I'll try one out if we get the technology but not for now.

 

[Kimber7man]

Thinking it would be mighty quiet hunting out on the ranch roads.

 

[Bluumoon]

When it’s time for new vehicles (3-4 yrs) we‘ll probably get a Tesla and gas powered truck. I think for running to work/local errands EV will work great. For hunting/fishing/camping trips, EV doesn’t work at all.

For solar and wind to be viable energy sources they need batteries. Hugh batteries.

As more and more solar/wind sites come online in addition to more EV production there will be major demand for lithium. Which will drive battery prices why up. And that’s skipping the rest of the worlds needs.

While I like EV‘s the idea that we‘ll just build and distribute them with no disruption or unintended consequences is fool’s gold. There will be major challenges to over come.

There are no free rides....

As I understand it, although called lithium ion batteries a good portion of the material is actually Nickel. Not trying to give you a hard time, rather point towards a potential investment opportunity...Well at least I hope it is, threw a few $ at some of the top mining company stocks.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Wonder how much it weighs..... I hear you can't keep tires and suspension on some electric power units due to weight... my brother in law is a Ford engineer and was trying to sell me on it this morning while fishing, no thanks, ill.keep burning gas and driving as far as I want whenever I want

There’s Just One Problem With Ford’s Electric F-150

Joe Biden says the pickup truck is fast. It's heavy, too.

slate.com

 

[Boarmaster]

Every advancement is just the stepping stone to the next best thing. In 1986 my boss had a phone in his Ford Bronco (pre cellular) that the box took up half the rear cargo compartment if I recall it cost about $3000 and $900 a month for service. Then cellular came and the box would fit under the seat and cost $500 a month . Then the cellular bag phone even cheaper and $100 bucks a month. Next thing service could be gotten for $50 a month and they gave you a flip phone. Back in the 80s you would have to had a cargo trailer to pull your computer system around behind you. Now your camera , video camera , phone, notepad and computer fit in your shirt pocket And they work a lot faster and better then back then. Lithium will only be used until the next thing comes along.

 

[DAOutfitters208]

Not just 'no, but 'hell no'......

You forgot 'people who live in bitter cold climates'....I have a hard time believing those rigs will heat folks in -20*-- -40* temps across Canada and Alaska.....

I lump Canada and Alaska in with rural

 

[Crghss]

As I understand it, although called lithium ion batteries a good portion of the material is actually Nickel. Not trying to give you a hard time, rather point towards a potential investment opportunity...Well at least I hope it is, threw a few $ at some of the top mining company stocks.

True, Cobalt and nickel are two large components of lithium ion batteries. But to my knowledge these can be recovered (partially) through recycling. Today, or last I read, we can’t recover/recycle lithium. We probably will one day.

Recycling lithium batteries is very expensive. Which is way we should build in the price to green electricity today.

 

[Noise Maker]

I went a head and reserved one this morning. Ill make my final decision once you can actually build one and see what the final price tag is. It will do everything I use my current F-150 for except one very out of the way hunting trip. No one in their right mind would drive an expensive truck there anyways. Ill keep the old work truck around for that.

Ford F-150 Lightning revealed: an electric truck for the masses

Up to 300 miles of range starting at just under $40,000.

www.theverge.com

This new technology is very interesting.

 

[roadrunner]

Batteries are the problem. Current technology will deplete the usefulness dependent on how many charge/discharge cycles are done. The ideal battery has a tendency to catch fire.

The best solution to all this "climate change" movement is to let the free market prevail. Let those who want one get one and let those who want the internal combustion keep one.

The market will balance itself...

 

[BugleMeTimber]

With all these states banning internal combustion engines in the future I got to think of the impact on the refineries. We boil oil and throw it in a crude column to separate into products based on boiling points. Jet fuel is a higher cut than regular gasoline. Not sure how much adjustments can be made in the process to maximize Jet fuel production and lessen gas production and still drop enough down the column for diesel demand. Think we'll see less jet fuel made and we'll be giving the gasoline away to other countries to burn because we can't store it or sell it. I don't see electric airlines coming down the pipe anytime soon. Just an interesting thought, folks may be paying thousands for an airline ticket down the road.