1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[RockAndSage]

Another question comparing CZ ergos and geometry to 1911. The CZs in general appear to have a noticeably lower bore axis, relative to the top of the grip beavertail. They also generally have a more undercut trigger guard. Seems like this would all help get a higher grip more in line with the recoil path (like a Rokstock). Assuming you had two platforms with same weight, length, ammo, no ports/comps, etc, would this not result in a flatter shooting gun? Or are there other details in the geometry that more than make up for this difference?

Also, the grip angles look almost identical between CZ and 1911s.

I don't personally have a lot of experience with low bore-axis handguns, but like a lot of things in the gun world, I suspect it's something that can make some difference, but nowhere near as much of a difference as some in the gun-internet world might try to make it out to be. It might make it a little more pleasant to shoot, or it might make a meaningful difference to a truly elite shooter, but in general is more marginal than so many other things, like grip and trigger control.

 

[RussDXT]

Form, have you tried the Gen 6 Glocks?

Wondering if they are as good/better than the Gen 5’s.

 

[rileybassman]

Form, have you tried the Gen 6 Glocks?

Wondering if they are as good/better than the Gen 5’s.

I'm not form but I have a gen 6 45 and have had gen 3-5 glocks, IMO, they are better yes... texture alone is worth the upgrade... having small hands, the slightly reduced trigger reach is also beneficial.

 

[Formidilosus]

Form, have you tried the Gen 6 Glocks?

Wondering if they are as good/better than the Gen 5’s.

I’ve shot them a bit, not extremely heavily. The grip, etc are better for sure.

 

[Formidilosus]

Another question comparing CZ ergos and geometry to 1911. The CZs in general appear to have a noticeably lower bore axis, relative to the top of the grip beavertail. They also generally have a more undercut trigger guard. Seems like this would all help get a higher grip more in line with the recoil path (like a Rokstock). Assuming you had two platforms with same weight, length, ammo, no ports/comps, etc, would this not result in a flatter shooting gun?

Yes.

Or are there other details in the geometry that more than make up for this difference?

Other geometries matter too- sometimes/often more.

Also, the grip angles look almost identical between CZ and 1911s.

It’s not necessarily- or mostly the angle. It is the angle, width, length, thickness, depth/thickness, and overall shape.

CZ Shadows are excellent shooting pistols. When it comes to forgiveness in a comprised grip, torque, bad trigger press, etc; the 1911 is still better.

 

[TradLife406]

Got her!!!!

Had to buy a set of files and take a little off the back tabs of my trigger bow.

Y'all weren't joking about having to file stuff.

 

[RockAndSage]

For examples, for me right now:

Glock 19 or 17, Gen 3/4= 16 yards.

G19 or 17 gen 5 or M models= 25 yards.

Sig M18/17= 22-24 yards.

Tricked out Sig M18/17= 26-27 yards.

Staccato P= 32’ish yards

Springfield Pro/custom 1911 9mm that I’m currently carrying= 40+ yards.

They're almost like a Forgotten Weapons thing at this point, given how they've almost entirely vanished from these kinds of conversations, but where do Browning Hi-Powers stack up in all of this for you?

 

[Dobermann]

When I touch thumb-tip to finger tips, I have less empty space than some girls I've dated, even though my hands are comparatively enormous to theirs.

I'm not sure I understand what this means ... but then, I'm not sure that I want to know, either ...

 

[Formidilosus]

They're almost like a Forgotten Weapons thing at this point, given how they've almost entirely vanished from these kinds of conversations, but where do Browning Hi-Powers stack up in all of this for you?

Hi-Powers don’t do well with heavy usage historically. The Novak built ones that places used in the 90’s were basically done at 30’ish thousand rounds. MAs for shootability- they’re good when they were built up.

 

[RockAndSage]

Hi-Powers don’t do well with heavy usage historically. The Novak built ones that places used in the 90’s were basically done at 30’ish thousand rounds. MAs for shootability- they’re good when they were built up.

Ah, that's super interesting. Didn't have any idea about their durability, but a Novak with a beavertail was a bit of a grail gun for me at one time. Good to know.

 

[solarshooter]

They're almost like a Forgotten Weapons thing at this point, given how they've almost entirely vanished from these kinds of conversations, but where do Browning Hi-Powers stack up in all of this for you?

I've never loved the Hi Power ergos. Kind of blocky and square like a Glock. And the balance is a little strange to me, maybe rear heavy? Or maybe the grip angle feels off? Not sure. Also the safety is too small. Could probably be fixed but it's nowhere near as useful as the 1911 safety.

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

The new SA-35 4" from Springfield looks pretty sweet for a modern Hi-Power, especially for the price.

 

[Formidilosus]

Ah, that's super interesting. Didn't have any idea about their durability, but a Novak with a beavertail was a bit of a grail gun for me at one time. Good to know.

Oh I’d like one too for sure.

 

[Fatcamp]

The new SA-35 4" from Springfield looks pretty sweet for a modern Hi-Power, especially for the price.
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First pistol I ever fired was a Hi-Power. I was 13 and my left hand was broke and in a cast. In Garden of the God's if that tells you anything about how long ago it was.