You tube fire arm ban.....

[GrantMan]

Also You tube does not profit from there service and they are able to do what they do by having Google sell off our personal data to marketing companies. Is there any other platform that can compete with that?

 

[Murdy]

This is the actual policy, in YouTube's own words:

"•Intends to sell firearms or certain firearms accessories through direct sales (e.g., private sales by individuals) or links to sites that sell these items. These accessories include but may not be limited to accessories that enable a firearm to simulate automatic fire or convert a firearm to automatic fire (e.g., bump stocks, gatling triggers, drop-in auto sears, conversion kits), and high capacity magazines (i.e., magazines or belts carrying more than 30 rounds).
•Provides instructions on manufacturing a firearm, ammunition, high capacity magazine, homemade silencers/suppressors, or certain firearms accessories such as those listed above. This also includes instructions on how to convert a firearm to automatic or simulated automatic firing capabilities.
•Shows users how to install the above-mentioned accessories or modifications."

Policies on content featuring firearms - YouTube Help

I don't see how this could be read to apply to most hunting, or for that matter, shooting, videos.

 

[jwatts]

If you're brave enough to go over there, a lot of gun videos are being moved to Pornhub. I haven't verified, but it's all over several gun forums.

 

[Thelostabbey]

my opinion is that all the major companies are showing their support for anti 2a stuff. case and point facebook, which damn near 2/3 of the USA population use by convince. another example is paypal, if you shop on amazon or a lot of other websites its the safe way to checkout. it is what it is. if people cared about supporting their ideals, then you would see more people trying to buy USA made items at every chance. instead, its easier to get stuff made in another country. convince is key, especially when they have the market cornered. shit your phone comes with facebook and youtube pre installed.

 

[Molon Labe]

You are missing the point that You Tube is a media based monopoly. What they are doing is no different then if AT&T was allowed to operate as a monopoly and blocked calls from individuals discussing firearms.

I am sorry but you are incorrect. YouTube is not a true monopoly.
There is no possible way for a company to become a monopoly in our economic system without government intervention (laws, regulations, barriers to entry etc) Your local energy providers are a decent example....but even then you could go offgrid...
At best you could call youtube a non coercive monopoly...but that type of monopoly only exists because of brand loyalty or people not caring to look at other means of getting a similar product or service.

By your definition Rokslide is a monopoly...it is by far the most popular DIY back country western hunting forum on the entire interweb...I think we need to have US antitrust lawsuit filed against Ryan and Tanya...it is just not fair that they control so much of the web traffic for this niche. They do not allow me to harass swear or tear apart other forum members...they also prevent me from spamming threads with "amazing ways to make money from home" or allow me to spam post anti-hunting videos . How dare they run their business the way they see fit! It is just not fair!

The point of my original post was to bring to light that youtube can do whatever they want...we don't have to get our content from them. If they swing to far left they will leave behind a lot of traffic and revenue. The market will correct itself.

Also You tube does not profit from there service and they are able to do what they do by having Google sell off our personal data to marketing companies. Is there any other platform that can compete with that?

They make 50% of the ad revenue from content. The other 50% goes to the providers.

 

[BrushyHillGuide]

This is the actual policy, in YouTube's own words:

"•Intends to sell firearms or certain firearms accessories through direct sales (e.g., private sales by individuals) or links to sites that sell these items. These accessories include but may not be limited to accessories that enable a firearm to simulate automatic fire or convert a firearm to automatic fire (e.g., bump stocks, gatling triggers, drop-in auto sears, conversion kits), and high capacity magazines (i.e., magazines or belts carrying more than 30 rounds).
•Provides instructions on manufacturing a firearm, ammunition, high capacity magazine, homemade silencers/suppressors, or certain firearms accessories such as those listed above. This also includes instructions on how to convert a firearm to automatic or simulated automatic firing capabilities.
•Shows users how to install the above-mentioned accessories or modifications."

Policies on content featuring firearms - YouTube Help

I don't see how this could be read to apply to most hunting, or for that matter, shooting, videos.

It can apply to:

Reloading
Any type of gunsmithing like swapping out a trigger

Just to name 2 that effect me. The others may not effect me but the sure offend me as they are LEGAL activities. It’s certainly their right. Still angers me; and I would hope it would anger others who enjoy the 2nd Amendment.

When we get to the point that gun owners ONLY care about those things that directly effect them, and not 2A as a whole, we won’t have the 2A within another generation’s lifetime.


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[GrantMan]

I am sorry but you are incorrect. YouTube is not a true monopoly.
There is no possible way for a company to become a monopoly in our economic system without government intervention (laws, regulations, barriers to entry etc) Your local energy providers are a decent example....but even then you could go offgrid...
At best you could call youtube a non coercive monopoly...but that type of monopoly only exists because of brand loyalty or people not caring to look at other means of getting a similar product or service.

By your definition Rokslide is a monopoly...it is by far the most popular DIY back country western hunting forum on the entire interweb...I think we need to have US antitrust lawsuit filed against Ryan and Tanya...it is just not fair that they control so much of the web traffic for this niche. They do not allow me to harass swear or tear apart other forum members...they also prevent me from spamming threads with "amazing ways to make money from home" or allow me to spam post anti-hunting videos . How dare they run their business the way they see fit! It is just not fair!

The point of my original post was to bring to light that youtube can do whatever they want...we don't have to get our content from them. If they swing to far left they will leave behind a lot of traffic and revenue. The market will correct itself.



They make 50% of the ad revenue from content. The other 50% goes to the providers.

Just because Google/youtube is not regulated by the government it doesn't mean that we should not assume that they are a monopoly. I am concerned with Bilderberger google connections and with their ties to our government.

Rokslide might be the largest western back country forum but there is no way they are the largest general firearms/huntings forums in the term of traffic and revenue. I think a better comparison would be youtube vs the next most popular video hosting site. The only known government connections Avery has are him throwing lead with Trump Jr. I do get your point about moderating a forum but I consider that a big difference in banning videos that may be controversial with those opposed to our right to keep and bear arms.

Youtube also has been banning conspiracy based videos. I know there is some waked out conspiracies out there but there are a few ones that I consider legit. Google Dr. Jerome Corsi / Q Anon and grab some popcorn. I don't want to believe this stuff is true but my gut feeling is saying that we may be in for some interesting events coming up.

 

[Molon Labe]

Just because Google/youtube is not regulated by the government doesn't mean that they have a monoploy. I am concerned with Bilderberger google connections and with their ties to our government.

Rokslide might be the largest western back country forum but there is no way they are the largest general firearms/huntings forums in the term of traffic and revenue. I think a better comparison would be youtube vs the next most popular video hosting site. The only know government connections Avery has are pictures of him throwing lead with Trump Jr. I do get your point about moderating a forum but I consider that a big difference in banning videos that may be controversial with those opposed to our right to keep and bear arms.

Youtube also has been banning conspiracy based videos. I know there is some waked out conspiracies out there but there are a few ones that I consider legit. Google Dr. Jerome Corsi / Q Anon and grab some popcorn. I don't want to believe this stuff is true but my gut feeling is saying that we may be in for some interesting events coming up.

Sorry I'm confused by your response. im not sure you saw my point.
I'm just trying to say that youtube can do whatever they want with their business model.
Once again...We can't force them to publish certain content anymore they they force us to watch certain content.

I don't pay attention to conspiracies so I can't really speak to that...

 

[GrantMan]

I got side tracked in my last post and combined with the poor grammar and typos I see how it is confusing.

I do agree that service providers have a right to refuse service but in this case youtube is a massive library of information and entertainment that does not even have close competition therefore there is a strong argument it should be regulated in the same sense as a monopoly. I could be completely wrong and the free market might correct itself but I am not going to hold my breath and wait for the pornhub gun channel apps to be pre installed on smartphones.

 

[svivian]

Can one say that YouTube is a form for someone to express themselves publicly. Even though YouTube is a business where does free speach play into this whole thing?

 

[William Hanson (live2hunt)]

Can one say that YouTube is a form for someone to express themselves publicly. Even though YouTube is a business where does free speach play into this whole thing?

It doesn't. YouTube is a private business and has the right to set it's own rules. If you own a publishing company, should you be required to publish information you would choose not to?

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[CorbLand]

Free speech doesn’t exist when it’s a private entity. Free speech only means that you can go to jail for speaking out against the government or anything of type.


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[CorbLand]

Free speech doesn’t exist when it’s a private entity. Free speech only means that you can go to jail for speaking out against the government or anything of type.


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That should be can’t not can.


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[William Hanson (live2hunt)]

The sounds like a good opportunity for rokslide to expand its reach and become the go-to source for all gun and hunting related videos.

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[amp713]

The sounds like a good opportunity for rokslide to expand its reach and become the go-to source for all gun and hunting related videos.

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Haha epic idea but the amount of traffic that would come in would be a crash fest haha not to mention people coming to the sight without being interedted in western backcountry hunting would cause a bit of a change to the forum I think.

 

[William Hanson (live2hunt)]

Haha epic idea but the amount of traffic that would come in would be a crash fest haha not to mention people coming to the sight without being interedted in western backcountry hunting would cause a bit of a change to the forum I think.

True but it could be a separate but connected entity

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[GrantMan]

Free speech doesn’t exist when it’s a private entity. Free speech only means that you can go to jail for speaking out against the government or anything of type.


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That is not necessary true. Phone companies are not allowed to block free speech and they are private companies. The reason that they cannot block free speech is because they fall under the regulations of a public utility. Google/Youtube, Facebook, you name it, are not treated as public utilities and therefore under current laws can do as they please.

Youtube and other libraries of data may not be considered public utilities (basic essential services) but with the push of net neutrality and such combined with how we as a society share much more ideas through internet services than through telephone calls I see how the laws could be applied much of the same way with youtube as they are with telephone companies.

 

[CorbLand]

That is not necessary true. Phone companies are not allowed to block free speech and they are private companies. The reason that they cannot block free speech is because they fall under the regulations of a public utility. Google/Youtube, Facebook, you name it, are not treated as public utilities and therefore under current laws can do as they please.

Youtube and other libraries of data may not be considered public utilities (basic essential services) but with the push of net neutrality and such combined with how we as a society share much more ideas through internet services than through telephone calls I see how the laws could be applied much of the same way with youtube as they are with telephone companies.

It would be a massive stretch to consider YouTube a public utility. Not to mention it would be a step in the wrong direction as far regulation and government infringement goes.


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[GrantMan]

Would it not be a massive stretch to consider a phone company as a public utility? If my cell phone provider blocked my speech I have the choice to switch providers but I do not have to worry about it because laws are in place to protect what I can say on the telephone and who I can talk to.

Government regulation is not a bad thing if it protects the well being of the people its supposed to serve.

 

[CorbLand]

Phone companies, power companies, etc are consider public utilities so we don’t have 8 million phone towers and power lines in every town and city in the US which is a far stretch from what YouTube is.




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