XR 650L vs DRZ 400

[Steve300xcw]

aftermarket what?

Reliability with lots of AfterMarket.

 

[Jesse Jaymes]

Because NOBODY uses any of these bikes in factory form. Bars, Risers, foot pegs.

Gas tanks for one. None of these bikes have a tank WAF. Weight reduction, slip on exhausts.

Why would anyone NOT want aftermarket options or support? From Toyotas to Tikkas

 

[Taudisio]

Because NOBODY uses any of these bikes in factory form. Bars, Risers, foot pegs.

Gas tanks for one. None of these bikes have a tank WAF. Weight reduction, slip on exhausts.

Why would anyone NOT want aftermarket options or support? From Toyotas to Tikkas

Just throwing this out there, I just ordered a 3.8gal tank for the klx300 on Monday, and the honda crf300l rally comes with 3.4gal.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Because NOBODY uses any of these bikes in factory form. Bars, Risers, foot pegs.

Gas tanks for one. None of these bikes have a tank WAF. Weight reduction, slip on exhausts.

Why would anyone NOT want aftermarket options or support? From Toyotas to Tikkas

Bars and risers? Thats pretty universal stuff. Will add though. The faster/better you get. The lower you'll want those bars....

Pegs... you just wanting options here? Whats wrong with factory?

Larger tanks I can understand.


The more I ride, and the better I get. The less things I find i want to change. Dial in your suspension. Dial in your gearing, comfy seat...dont touch nothin else

 

[RWT]

Yz450fx is a bad bitch. Pretty well thought of bike around here.

Detune with a sprocket change?

A smaller front sprocket or larger rear sprocket increases acceleration but decreases top speed, while a larger front sprocket or smaller rear sprocket does the opposite.

Put a larger front sprocket or smaller rear sprocket if you want to take the hard hit out of the throttle.

If you want more hit and bring your front end up by just giving it gas then do the opposite. You really only need to change the front sprocket in either direction to make a difference.

I raced a lot of hare scrambles growing up on an 87 YZ250. When you dropped the clutch and gassed it the instant hit was too much for the tight woods. Changing the front sprocket to 1 tooth larger mellowed it out and made the transition smoother.

This is the cheapest way to “detune” a bike that was to “jumpy” to ride fast.

 

[Mentholspliff]

Xr because it’s air cooled

 

[Steve300xcw]

A smaller front sprocket or larger rear sprocket increases acceleration but decreases top speed, while a larger front sprocket or smaller rear sprocket does the opposite.

Put a larger front sprocket or smaller rear sprocket if you want to take the hard hit out of the throttle.

If you want more hit and bring your front end up by just giving it gas then do the opposite. You really only need to change the front sprocket in either direction to make a difference.

I raced a lot of hare scrambles growing up on an 87 YZ250. When you dropped the clutch and gassed it the instant hit was too much for the tight woods. Changing the front sprocket to 1 tooth larger mellowed it out and made the transition smoother.

This is the cheapest way to “detune” a bike that was to “jumpy” to ride fast.

87 was a long time ago.....

Sprockets make a big difference for sure. Never heard of them being used to tone a bike down

 

[Steve300xcw]

Xr because it’s air cooled

An thats a plus?

 

[Bluefish]

Sat on a 300F. It's Dinky....but I get it. Dealer said he legally couldn't even sell me one. Factory recall? I think he was small town and FOS.

I'll add that I already own an XR 400 and a KTM 450 EXC.

My 400 is cool. Lots of mods. I simply don't trust it. Did a 40 mile loop two weeks ago. Stopped to look at a Mtn Goat and some mulies. Cold Starts, my technique is generally money. For some reason....just wouldn't fire. I almost alway stop at the TOP of a hill or higher point. Easy enough to coast down and dump the clutch in 2nd. Popped and got me home. I simply hate that schittt in the back of my head.

Love my EXC. It's old. Been whooped by probably 6 other dudes in it's lifetime. Hasn't failed me. Just don't really trust it for Day In, Day Out, 87 miles from home kinda rides.

I knew Steve would chime in. NFW am I buying a GD Tenere....

Like $5500 or under BackWoods wonder bike is the goal

I would go 500exc. Probably already plated, a capable dirt bike and slightly more road worthy than the 450. Imho the 230-300 4-st play bikes are heavier than the 450 exc you have and 30% less power.

I have not ridden a 650l, but it’s basically a street legal xr600, except Heavier because it has a steel tank. Old geometry, so you sit down in it instead of on top like a modern dirt bike. I have ridden a 650R and I think they are great dual sports, but they are now quite old (20 years or so). Also kick start only and harder to plate as there were not street legal from the factory.

 

[z987k]

RE: Yama WR450F......Never even looked or read. I will. Don't seem to "flow" in the circles of the same Honda/DRZ reliability tho. But I am late to the dirt bike game in life.

If you can get a plate for one, it's the way to go. It's pretty close to a YZFX. You can always uncork it and then it is. They also make aftermarket massive fuel tanks for them if you get the right year.

I still think peak plated dirkbike was the husky TE610.

 

[z987k]

A smaller front sprocket or larger rear sprocket increases acceleration but decreases top speed, while a larger front sprocket or smaller rear sprocket does the opposite.

Put a larger front sprocket or smaller rear sprocket if you want to take the hard hit out of the throttle.

If you want more hit and bring your front end up by just giving it gas then do the opposite. You really only need to change the front sprocket in either direction to make a difference.

I raced a lot of hare scrambles growing up on an 87 YZ250. When you dropped the clutch and gassed it the instant hit was too much for the tight woods. Changing the front sprocket to 1 tooth larger mellowed it out and made the transition smoother.

This is the cheapest way to “detune” a bike that was to “jumpy” to ride fast.

Now we just wifi to the ECU and map the fuel and timing to our liking.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Bike threads on this forum are always interesting.

No doubt theres good info being tossed out there. Also pretty clear that some of yall have not been on a bike in a while...

 

[Mentholspliff]

An thats a plus?

Air cooled-made to run hot and be abused. I’ve got 25kmi on a 98xr650l never done anything but adjust valves. Radiators just add another thing to go wrong, lay one down, bend a radiator, get one plugged up with grass seeds, poke a stick through one on and on. There are good things about water cooled but to me the less moving parts the better. Also the xr has not changed a single thing since 1993 so obviously it’s working