Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Jan 5, 2019
Messages
529
Location
Idaho
Let me make sure i understand what you are saying. You are saying that residents of western states like idaho and wyoming are financially capable of managing their own resources independently. So, there is no reason that my tax dollars as a NR should be needed to fund blm's management of land that your state could manage just fine? Say maybe in a transfer of federal land to those states. I just want to make sure I understand the situation correctly. Bc i read something different from wyo BHA leadership a couple years ago.

It sure would be nice to save that extra tax money with record inflation, record gas prices, and uncertain employment situation due to that pesky vaccine mandate. Ill probably need that extra money so i can buy an electric car anyway.
Do you live or work in an industry that deals with BLM lands in the west? I do. It's a total disaster. Your tax dollars would certainly do more good in your own pocket.

And not sure why you pointed out BHA as if they represent me or matter at all. That terrorist organization can kick rocks.
 

tdhanses

WKR
Joined
Sep 26, 2018
Messages
5,941
So it was the Terk (David B. Terk, a Texas resident and hunter) injunction. Yes it impacted residents negatively for a long time but ultimately it was tossed.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, MARCH 24, 2014:

COURT RULING GIVES NEW MEXICO RESIDENT HUNTERS BETTER ODDS IN DRAWINGS FOR BIGHORN SHEEP, ORYX AND IBEX

ALBUQUERQUE
– New Mexico resident hunters scored a big victory Monday with a U.S. District Court ruling that allows the Department of Game and Fish to reinstate quotas that give state residents a big advantage over nonresidents when applying for bighorn sheep, oryx and ibex hunting licenses.

“This is an important decision and a huge win for New Mexico hunters,” said Paul Kienzle, newly elected chairman of the State Game Commission. “It’s been a long fight, but New Mexicans now have a good shot at those quality hunts, as intended by the governor and the state legislature.”

Monday’s ruling by Chief U.S. District Judge Christina Armijo vacated a 1977 injunction that prohibited the Department from applying preferential quotas that benefited state residents in the drawings for bighorn sheep, oryx and ibex licenses. Because of that injunction, nonresident hunters enjoyed equal odds with residents in the annual drawings.

But isn’t that case just based on allocation of tags only? Or does it cover the financial investment as well, I think the only case if there is one would be the predatory actions of the state to obtain NR funding fully knowing there is plans to make opportunities behind that nonexistent.

Now we know I’ll get a 🤣 from Buzz on this but I’m sure a few wealthy individuals that have been investing for the big 5 will be angry enough to spend a few measly pennies of their wealth to look into this.

It do two things, delay any changes to DEA or possibly put a financial burden on the state, there is also the possiblity people just throw their hands in the air and walk away, the hope of those that pushed for the change is that this happens.

In the long run though it won’t matter in the end even if WY takes a financial hit, they’ll recoup what is lost and residents will have a slight increase in chance for a little while. But then again resident opportunities are already decreased by other residents that have held the tags previously and are also now in the draw again, I’m surprised residents aren’t pushing that these tags become OIL for residents to boost opportunities for residents that have never drawn.
 

BuzzH

WKR
Joined
May 27, 2017
Messages
2,228
Location
Wyoming
This is truly laughable with all of the wildly stupid, incorrect legal information you have posted. Truly, only a goddamned idiot would even pretend to be so certain of anything when it comes to tort actions.
What you're proposing would be in line with suing a state lottery because they didn't sell you the winning ticket.

Good luck with that.
 

BuzzH

WKR
Joined
May 27, 2017
Messages
2,228
Location
Wyoming
But isn’t that case just based on allocation of tags only? Or does it cover the financial investment as well, I think the only case if there is one would be the predatory actions of the state to obtain NR funding fully knowing there is plans to make opportunities behind that nonexistent.

Now we know I’ll get a 🤣 from Buzz on this but I’m sure a few wealthy individuals that have been investing for the big 5 will be angry enough to spend a few measly pennies of their wealth to look into this.

It do two things, delay any changes to DEA or possibly put a financial burden on the state, there is also the possiblity people just throw their hands in the air and walk away, the hope of those that pushed for the change is that this happens.

In the long run though it won’t matter in the end even if WY takes a financial hit, they’ll recoup what is lost and residents will have a slight increase in chance for a little while. But then again resident opportunities are already decreased by other residents that have held the tags previously and are also now in the draw again, I’m surprised residents aren’t pushing that these tags become OIL for residents to boost opportunities for residents that have never drawn.
Nrs lack of 3rd grade math skills is not the State of Wyoming's problem.

May I suggest you would have more luck suing the public education system?
 

tdhanses

WKR
Joined
Sep 26, 2018
Messages
5,941
We can bitch about where and how our federal tax dollars are spent all we want but it likely won't change NR tag allocations. States have ultimate say in their game management and just because game animals live on some federal lands don't change that. The courts have said this is how it is and some of what Buzz has been pointing out.

Again from the article that prompted this thread:

"Second, the wildlife inside the borders of the state of Wyoming and any other state for that matter, is the sole property of the residents of that state, period. The residents of the state of Wyoming through their governmental representation have the full right and responsibility to regulate as they see fit, the full management of that wildlife in its entirety. Sometimes that can be a tough pill to swallow for nonresident hunters who are at the full mercy of the residents of said state, particularly when those nonresidents are so heavily invested financially and emotionally into a preference point system. "
True but 95% of residents in most states would have no where to use their tags if they didn’t have federal public lands.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OMB

CJ19

WKR
Joined
Nov 25, 2018
Messages
436
Do you live or work in an industry that deals with BLM lands in the west? I do. It's a total disaster. Your tax dollars would certainly do more good in your own pocket.

And not sure why you pointed out BHA as if they represent me or matter at all. That terrorist organization can kick rocks.
Fair enough. I dont blame you or begrudge you or any resident your tags. Like i said in a different post, its the clown(s) leading this charge in wyo. Hands out for money and support all the time.
 

KHNC

WKR
Joined
Jul 11, 2013
Messages
3,647
Location
NC
@BuzzH what’s funny, their analysis of everything or the fact NR won’t have much opportunities in the future which will increase resident odds 1%? To me whats funny is residents will still be complaining they can’t kill anything they want and that they don’t have 100% of tags, yet once again have propoed up the outfitters if the DEA changes in the article are accurate, maybe in time WY will only be resident tags, which then it might be worth considering making it a residence, it’s definitely the top of my list once the kids are out of school, Pinedale is nice and relatively affordable for an acreage.

But then again a guaranteed outfitter tag at $10k a pop really isn’t bad to not live in the middle of nowhere.
Buzz is just making fun of you since you arent a resident, and only hunt a week per year in the west.
 

ScottR_EHJ

WKR
Rokslide Sponsor
Joined
Mar 8, 2012
Messages
1,597
Location
Wyoming
Yeah I wondered that at first but think about it, this year it’ll be 24, next 25 and so on, guessing 50 is where it’ll top out based on their analysis.
Exactly, the pace with which point creep accelerates is what produces those numbers over time.
 

BuzzH

WKR
Joined
May 27, 2017
Messages
2,228
Location
Wyoming
But isn’t that case just based on allocation of tags only? Or does it cover the financial investment as well, I think the only case if there is one would be the predatory actions of the state to obtain NR funding fully knowing there is plans to make opportunities behind that nonexistent.

Now we know I’ll get a 🤣 from Buzz on this but I’m sure a few wealthy individuals that have been investing for the big 5 will be angry enough to spend a few measly pennies of their wealth to look into this.

It do two things, delay any changes to DEA or possibly put a financial burden on the state, there is also the possiblity people just throw their hands in the air and walk away, the hope of those that pushed for the change is that this happens.

In the long run though it won’t matter in the end even if WY takes a financial hit, they’ll recoup what is lost and residents will have a slight increase in chance for a little while. But then again resident opportunities are already decreased by other residents that have held the tags previously and are also now in the draw again, I’m surprised residents aren’t pushing that these tags become OIL for residents to boost opportunities for residents that have never drawn.
If they're wealthy they're buying governors tags and/or hunts every year....no reason to waste time applying for 120 years to still come up short.

Finally, read the bill...the big 5 are once in a lifetime retroactive for anyone on the 5 year waiting period.

I'm done with sheep here as I drew in 2019...and I'm fine with that. Unlike the nrs I won't be threatening a class action lawsuit because a rule change impacts my chance at a hunting license
 

tdhanses

WKR
Joined
Sep 26, 2018
Messages
5,941
If they're wealthy they're buying governors tags and/or hunts every year....no reason to waste time applying for 120 years to still come up short.

Finally, read the bill...the big 5 are once in a lifetime retroactive for anyone on the 5 year waiting period.

I'm done with sheep here as I drew in 2019...and I'm fine with that. Unlike the nrs I won't be threatening a class action lawsuit because a rule change impacts my chance at a hunting license
Good on you, that’s commendable to be so selfless.

Who’s to say they don’t do both? Who’s to say what could make someone want to invest in anything really especially if it’s a drop in the bucket just to scratch that annoying itch.
 

BuzzH

WKR
Joined
May 27, 2017
Messages
2,228
Location
Wyoming
Do you really think states don’t have any possible liability?
I'm the case of a willing buyer purchasing a point they received... absolutely no liability. They got exactly what they paid for and there was no promise or implied assumption that allocations would stay the same. No assumption tag numbers would stay static. No promise the point system wouldn't be done away with (which happened in Montana in the 1970's).

File the lawsuit see what happens...best way to find out.
 

tdhanses

WKR
Joined
Sep 26, 2018
Messages
5,941
I'm the case of a willing buyer purchasing a point they received... absolutely no liability. They got exactly what they paid for and there was no promise or implied assumption that allocations would stay the same. No assumption tag numbers would stay static. No promise the point system wouldn't be done away with (which happened in Montana in the 1970's).

File the lawsuit see what happens...best way to find out.
Yeah your the seller advertising a good and opportunity to drum up a willing buyer, once you sell it you can’t change it. Kind of like selling a new Range Rover yet giving the buyer a Pinto. Wonder how many other states have collected as much in prf pt fees and then in essence removed their opportunity unless they have 24 years in the game, be different if the state didn’t charge for this stand alone.

This could end up being what end prf pts across the west.

You easily could be right but that doesn’t mean it won’t cost the state anything to defend it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top