Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year

[pk_]

It ain't 1970 anymore, Dorothy. You think states like Idaho want anything to do with states like California or New York in today's climate? Nope. Stay home. We can fund our own wildlife and conservation efforts. There's plenty of $$$ in this state. Just look at the tags on the F250s and toy haulers parked at trail heads in September.

 

[BuzzH]

Wrong assumption Homeslice. You're confusing litigation with a favorable decision, or a court win. Litigation is the process followed for legal proceedings in court, to dumb it down for you, filing a lawsuit with the process of it going to court.

A lawsuit can always be filed.

You said case law shows. Up until recently, there was no case law in this regard except the decision that impacted NM for decades. That was the precedent. That was the lawsuit. That was the decision.

Your comment says no lawsuit can be filed. Oh yes, Homeslice, a lawsuit can always be filed...

The only thing worse than your understanding of the law, is your reading comprehension.

Keep me posted on the lawsuit, tuffie.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Enjoy all your new retired residents, Wyoming. I'm on my way shortly.

Colorado is so much nicer. Or Utah. I’ve heard South Dakota is beautiful, no reason to leave. Think about it, if Wyoming didn’t suck they’d probably have the annual gay pirate dress up party here instead of in Sturgis.

 

[Laramie]

The only thing worse than your understanding of the law, is your reading comprehension.

Keep me posted on the lawsuit, tuffie.

Wyoming is at risk for a lawsuit due to the way they marketed the preference point system. There are two damning quotes out there. You are are aware as we have discussed them before.

Quoted directly from the WG&F analysis report - "A preference point system will ultimately guarantee an applicant a license."

Quoted from Brian Nesvik, Chief Game Warden - "Preference points were originally intended to provide hunters with predictability and reasonable assurance that over time, their chances of drawing high demand areas would increase. Specifically for nonresidents, they were intended to help hunters predict how often they would draw a tag for their favorite areas."

The above were intentionally made public by the WG&F as part of their marketing effort to get hunters to purchase preference points. By changing the system, the above two quotes become false.

As I'm sure you know, UDAP laws are a little different in Wyoming in that plaintiffs can't recover attorney fees. That said, I'm guessing enough people will be mad enough to try.

The last thing I want to see is the WG&F hurt by a lawsuit. What I would like to see is some form of a public message or apology and options for those who have been deceived. Let people transfer points to another species. Let guys request a refund or roll that money invested to a lifetime fishing permit... anything other than the bowl of crap we are being fed.

As a Wyoming Native who is now a non-resident, I can see both sides. I actually think 90/10 is the right thing to do for the residents of the state. The WG&F just needs to make it right with those who have invested in their false marketing scheme.

 

[BuzzH]

Wyoming is at risk for a lawsuit due to the way they marketed the preference point system. There are two damning quotes out there. You are are aware as we have discussed them before.

Quoted directly from the WG&F analysis report - "A preference point system will ultimately guarantee an applicant a license."

Quoted from Brian Nesvik, Chief Game Warden - "Preference points were originally intended to provide hunters with predictability and reasonable assurance that over time, their chances of drawing high demand areas would increase. Specifically for nonresidents, they were intended to help hunters predict how often they would draw a tag for their favorite areas."

The above were intentionally made public by the WG&F as part of their marketing effort to get hunters to purchase preference points. By changing the system, the above two quotes become false.

As I'm sure you know, UDAP laws are a little different in Wyoming in that plaintiffs can't recover attorney fees. That said, I'm guessing enough people will be mad enough to try.

The last thing I want to see is the WG&F hurt by a lawsuit. What I would like to see is some form of a public message or apology and options for those who have been deceived. Let people transfer points to another species. Let guys request a refund or roll that money invested to a lifetime fishing permit... anything other than the bowl of crap we are being fed.

As a Wyoming Native who is now a non-resident, I can see both sides. I actually think 90/10 is the right thing to do for the residents of the state. The WG&F just needs to make it right with those who have invested in their false marketing scheme.

Keep dreaming...won't happen.

 

[BBob]

Up until recently, there was no case law in this regard except the decision that impacted NM for decades. That was the precedent. That was the lawsuit. That was the decision.

So it was the Terk (David B. Terk, a Texas resident and hunter) injunction. Yes it impacted residents negatively for a long time but ultimately it was tossed.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, MARCH 24, 2014:

COURT RULING GIVES NEW MEXICO RESIDENT HUNTERS BETTER ODDS IN DRAWINGS FOR BIGHORN SHEEP, ORYX AND IBEX

ALBUQUERQUE – New Mexico resident hunters scored a big victory Monday with a U.S. District Court ruling that allows the Department of Game and Fish to reinstate quotas that give state residents a big advantage over nonresidents when applying for bighorn sheep, oryx and ibex hunting licenses.

“This is an important decision and a huge win for New Mexico hunters,” said Paul Kienzle, newly elected chairman of the State Game Commission. “It’s been a long fight, but New Mexicans now have a good shot at those quality hunts, as intended by the governor and the state legislature.”

Monday’s ruling by Chief U.S. District Judge Christina Armijo vacated a 1977 injunction that prohibited the Department from applying preferential quotas that benefited state residents in the drawings for bighorn sheep, oryx and ibex licenses. Because of that injunction, nonresident hunters enjoyed equal odds with residents in the annual drawings.

Court Ruling Gives New Mexico Resident Hunters Better Odds in Drawings for Bighorn Sheep, Oryx and Ibex - NMDGF

New Mexico Department of Game and Fish Media contact: Rachel Shockley, (505) 476-8071 Public contact: [...]

www.wildlife.state.nm.us

 

[ShortMountain91]

The writing is on the wall for nonresidents of the west. Burn your points while you can boys. I gave up on the wyoming sheep game when they raised the price to $150. Glad I did. Would rather save up for a landowner tag of another species or save for a dall hunt. I love hunting the west but I'm looking to burn all my points wherever I can and then just focus on opportunity. I'll never draw the premium tags on point systems. After the points are gone, will only apply to places with random chances and hunt my home state. If everyone else does the same the states will respond to the lost revenue and we can all at least get a chance to hunt those states.

 

[Laramie]

Keep dreaming...won't happen.

As I recall you have said that about a few things... How is your fund raising going?

 

[CJ19]

It ain't 1970 anymore, Dorothy. You think states like Idaho want anything to do with states like California or New York in today's climate? Nope. Stay home. We can fund our own wildlife and conservation efforts. There's plenty of $$$ in this state. Just look at the tags on the F250s and toy haulers parked at trail heads in September.

Let me make sure i understand what you are saying. You are saying that residents of western states like idaho and wyoming are financially capable of managing their own resources independently. So, there is no reason that my tax dollars as a NR should be needed to fund blm's management of land that your state could manage just fine? Say maybe in a transfer of federal land to those states. I just want to make sure I understand the situation correctly. Bc i read something different from wyo BHA leadership a couple years ago.

It sure would be nice to save that extra tax money with record inflation, record gas prices, and uncertain employment situation due to that pesky vaccine mandate. Ill probably need that extra money so i can buy an electric car anyway.

 

[BBob]

So, there is no reason that my tax dollars as a NR should be needed to fund blm's management of land that your state could manage just fine?

We can bitch about where and how our federal tax dollars are spent all we want but it likely won't change NR tag allocations. States have ultimate say in their game management and just because game animals live on some federal lands don't change that. The courts have said this is how it is and some of what Buzz has been pointing out.

Again from the article that prompted this thread:

"Second, the wildlife inside the borders of the state of Wyoming and any other state for that matter, is the sole property of the residents of that state, period. The residents of the state of Wyoming through their governmental representation have the full right and responsibility to regulate as they see fit, the full management of that wildlife in its entirety. Sometimes that can be a tough pill to swallow for nonresident hunters who are at the full mercy of the residents of said state, particularly when those nonresidents are so heavily invested financially and emotionally into a preference point system. "

 

[tdhanses]

Colorado is so much nicer. Or Utah. I’ve heard South Dakota is beautiful, no reason to leave. Think about it, if Wyoming didn’t suck they’d probably have the annual gay pirate dress up party here instead of in Sturgis.

Yeah right WY has the best resident hunting in the nation, everyone that hunts needs to move there.

 

[CJ19]

We can bitch about where and how our federal tax dollars are spent all we want but it likely won't change NR tag allocations. States have ultimate say in their game management and just because game animals live on some federal lands don't change that. The courts have said this is how it is and some of what Buzz has been pointing out.

Again from the article that prompted this thread:

"Second, the wildlife inside the borders of the state of Wyoming and any other state for that matter, is the sole property of the residents of that state, period. The residents of the state of Wyoming through their governmental representation have the full right and responsibility to regulate as they see fit, the full management of that wildlife in its entirety. Sometimes that can be a tough pill to swallow for nonresident hunters who are at the full mercy of the residents of said state, particularly when those nonresidents are so heavily invested financially and emotionally into a preference point system. "

I want to make something very clear. I dont begrudge any resident their tags. The only thing it is going to do is change where i spend my money. Im still going to find a place to enjoy the outdoors with my family and friends. Its the sanctimous hypocracy of the crowd leading this charge i cant stand. I would very much like my tax dollars spent else where or back in my pocket at this point. I dont need to be paying for your private public land in your state.

 

[BuzzH]

Yeah right WY has the best resident hunting in the nation, everyone that hunts needs to move there.

And it just got better....and in line with what residents of surrounding states enjoy in regard to license allocations.

Totally appropriate and long past due.

 

[dieselchessy]

With Covid it’s hard to tell, but it seemed the exodus from Wyoming points started last your when they almost pulled this 90/10 deal. After that point creep jumped 2 points in some units and had folks burning 9+ points on 6 and 7 point units. After this I’m sure it will only get worse.
I’ve certainly been trying to use my points that last 2 draw cycles. My friends have used their points as well. Can’t imagine we’re the only ones.
Dump points and then go random from then on out. Won’t live long enough to build up enough points to draw a good unit again.
Hope to many folks don’t flock to the other states with seemingly better and more stable opportunities. But expect it to happen.

 

[tdhanses]

Wyoming is at risk for a lawsuit due to the way they marketed the preference point system. There are two damning quotes out there. You are are aware as we have discussed them before.

Quoted directly from the WG&F analysis report - "A preference point system will ultimately guarantee an applicant a license."

Quoted from Brian Nesvik, Chief Game Warden - "Preference points were originally intended to provide hunters with predictability and reasonable assurance that over time, their chances of drawing high demand areas would increase. Specifically for nonresidents, they were intended to help hunters predict how often they would draw a tag for their favorite areas."

The above were intentionally made public by the WG&F as part of their marketing effort to get hunters to purchase preference points. By changing the system, the above two quotes become false.

As I'm sure you know, UDAP laws are a little different in Wyoming in that plaintiffs can't recover attorney fees. That said, I'm guessing enough people will be mad enough to try.

The last thing I want to see is the WG&F hurt by a lawsuit. What I would like to see is some form of a public message or apology and options for those who have been deceived. Let people transfer points to another species. Let guys request a refund or roll that money invested to a lifetime fishing permit... anything other than the bowl of crap we are being fed.

As a Wyoming Native who is now a non-resident, I can see both sides. I actually think 90/10 is the right thing to do for the residents of the state. The WG&F just needs to make it right with those who have invested in their false marketing scheme.

You’ll never see Buzz admit or show that he thinks there is possible exposure for WY on this stuff, but that’s his just his opinion, he like to add the laughing emoji to show he isn’t worried and in all reality I understand it because even if he’s wrong in the end it doesn’t really change the overall outcome he wanted.

 

[tdhanses]

And it just got better.

Heck yeah it did, we all should be moving there, good thing is in this day in age you at least don’t have to find a job that pays well to do it.

But for those that don’t the outfitter hand out coming could be a guaranteed annual hunt.

 

[Squincher]

The only thing worse than your understanding of the law, is your reading comprehension.

Keep me posted on the lawsuit, tuffie.

This is truly laughable with all of the wildly stupid, incorrect legal information you have posted. Truly, only a goddamned idiot would even pretend to be so certain of anything when it comes to tort actions.

 

[BuzzH]

Heck yeah it did, we all should be moving there, good thing is in this day in age you at least don’t have to find a job that pays well to do it.

But for those that don’t the outfitter hand out coming could be a guaranteed annual hunt.

World's your oyster...pitter-patter.

 

[BuzzH]

This is truly laughable with all of the wildly stupid, incorrect legal information you have posted. Truly, only a goddamned idiot would even pretend to be so certain of anything when it comes to tort actions.

Laughable is how deep the butt-hurt is...

 

[Squincher]

Laughable is how deep the butt-hurt is...

I haven't had any investment in hunting Wyoming, or any western U.S. state, for over 20 years now so I'm not butt-hurt. I just recognize a clown when I see one.