Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year

[Maverick1]

Sure wish I could sell my 20 moose points! At $150 a year and with a lot of units not getting a single non resident tag with this change I am again back in no man’s land! Tough pill to swallow for me, but it is what it is…….

They are $150 per point NOW, but they weren't always that expensive.

People are going to complain about how much they've "invested" into the system and buying points. At this point, those points are a sunk-cost expense. Here's an easy "solution" to turn that expense into a profit: allow people to auction off their moose preference points, with the state receiving a portion of the profits received from the seller. A win-win: the poor ba$tards that have 20+ years of moose points build up can now sell them, and the state will receive their cut as a percentage of the sale price. LOL. Dumb.

How's that for a half-baked, stupid idea on an internet forum that will never go anywhere? Not much different than any of the other whining going on! Glad I burned my points there on one species and dropped out of the game on the other.

 

[Bighorns]

Actually, I'm not wrong...

I think a lot of what's happening with the tag allocations (moose/sheep) is rooted in the fact that Wyo has about 60% of the sheep & moose population (or less) that we had when preference point system started back in mid 90's. I talked with one of the head biologists with G&F at that time (Harry Harju for any old timers) and he told me that a preference point system wouldn't work for us. Reason: he said that we would run out of hunters in about 10 years. Of course, that was before sheep pneumonia die offs, and wolf introduction (moose). More people/ fewer tags, something had to give. Also a really good chance the preference point system is going to a weighted bonus point system in near future.

 

[Idaho_Potato]

Good luck finding a place to live! I live near Sheridan & nothing for sale. People buying sight unseen all the time. Locally, most coming from west coast states, but some from everywhere.

This is the entire west right now. Just wait until interest rates go north of 5%. And gas is $6.00 a gallon. It's already writing on the wall. The migration will halt. Businesses are going to pull back on the current hiring spree. The suburb 3/2 for $600k will be a lot less appealing for $3k a month when jobs are more scarce. People will start to move back into office positions and jobs become more scarce, that's the leverage businesses really want right now. They will get it when the economy corrects. The work from home gig was fun while it lasted, but everyone knows employees get more shit done when they show up with pants on and conduct business like adults. The slumber party is almost over.

 

[BBob]

Actually, I'm not wrong...

What is the lawsuit that you speak of? The Terk injunction?

 

[sneaky]

It ain't 1970 anymore, Dorothy. You think states like Idaho want anything to do with states like California or New York in today's climate? Nope. Stay home. We can fund our own wildlife and conservation efforts. There's plenty of $$$ in this state. Just look at the tags on the F250s and toy haulers parked at trail heads in September.

Speak for yourself. When I was in the Marine Corps I sure as hell didn't think "I'll defend these 7 states I agree with and the rest can go to hell". That's your exact sentiment and you don't speak for everyone in this state. Idaho can't fund its own wildlife and conservation off of just residents because 99% of residents are tightwads. They want to consume resources without having to pay a dime more than they're paying now. That isn't going to change. If you're parking at trailheads and looking at plates you've already screwed up to begin with. It's the same in every state, residents complain about NR but want their money to pay for most of their budget. Every state is guilty of this. Every. Single. One. I can find plenty of solitude here hunting, if I see other hunters in the field, I keep going til I don't. I'm sure not going to ride around yelling at people on my high horse waiting to get knocked off.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

 

[UpNorth89]

I will never understand why outfitters are protected so much. And why states cater to them to protect their businesses.

I hate outfitter welfare. If you run a good business you'll have a great reputation and plenty of clients no matter what. It's just one more way to get rid of the diy hunters.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

 

[wind gypsy]

It's the same in every state, residents complain about NR but want their money to pay for most of their budget. Every state is guilty of this. Every. Single. One.

Clarification - It's only that way in states where hunting is worth traveling for. When I see the odd NR hunting in MN i just assume he grew up here or is visiting friends, doesn't bother me a lick. Sure didn't come here for the good hunting.

I used to curse MN plates in ND waterfowl hunting though and I was one..

 

[CamoPirate]

Idaho can't fund its own wildlife and conservation off of just residents because 99% of residents are tightwads. They want to consume resources without having to pay a dime more than they're paying now. That isn't going to change. If you're parking at trailheads and looking at plates you've already screwed up to begin with. It's the same in every state, residents complain about NR but want their money to pay for most of their budget. Every state is guilty of this. Every. Single. One.

This ^. Sooner or later it'll be time for everyone in their respective states to put up the cash when they said they'd rather pay more for tags and "not have the out of staters ruining their hunts".

Side note, anyone wanna take bets for when the farm to table trend falls off? If you do, make sure to smash that like button, follow, and subscribe.

I don't see how you can't see why people would be angry with 90/10. While other states do have lower % allocation, I'd venture its been the same for awhile, and they (Wyoming) just cut the tags by 60%/50% respectively. That's a lot of money and years invested in a once in a lifetime hunt to watch it become wasted in 1 passed legislation.

 

[dreamingbig]

I think Wyoming should scrap all preference points and go straight random.

Buzz already said they can make them worthless so let’s burn them in the trash.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[tdhanses]

I think it has a chance to be an issue. Similar to corner crossing.

Email I received last October… they didn’t mention the tag numbers were about to halves!

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I definitely see a case for class action, if it loses ok but let the state defend it’s decisions and see if this falls in their favor, be very interesting to see which big firm wants innon a possible $50 million suit with thousands to jump on board.

 

[tdhanses]

I recommend you do more research...you're wrong.

109th congress sf 339 reaffirming states rights to discriminate against nr.

Result of the taulman/uso lawsuit suing under dormant commerce clause that you referenced. That ship has sailed.

Suing a state for discriminating against nr hunting or allocations is going nowhere.

Discrimination isn’t financial extortion, lawsuit will never be about the allocations, it’ll be about selling a 500 year opportunity which the state fully knows will not happen, like selling ocean front property in WY for 500 years from now.

Only an idiot would sue to try and change the new allocation but there’s a ton of money WY has collected and actively marketed and pursued nonresidents for fully knowing they were changing the rules to make it impossible, a lie of sorts or fraud.

Guess we’ll see if it happens or not in time but now that the gov has signed the change into law it’s ripe to be looked at.

State may win but it might lose big as well.

 

[sneaky]

Your mistake, not mine.

And I never said I had a problem with opportunity. Just a problem with people who assume they have a right to hunt wherever they want. It's just not possible.

Yes it is. If they have a tag that they paid for they most certainly can. My service to this country never was, or will be, a mistake.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

 

[TreeWalking]

They are going to increase non resident tag fees to make up for the lost revenue.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Lost revenue or lost TAG revenue? WY the state loses more per non-resident that stays home than the tag fee. Will need to raise the fee much more than just to replace the lost tag revenue or WY just flushed some money. I sure hope WY does not call up my state asking for choppers or firefighters the next time is burning. Got to take care of my state, right?

 

[TreeWalking]

They are $150 per point NOW, but they weren't always that expensive.

People are going to complain about how much they've "invested" into the system and buying points. At this point, those points are a sunk-cost expense. Here's an easy "solution" to turn that expense into a profit: allow people to auction off their moose preference points, with the state receiving a portion of the profits received from the seller. A win-win: the poor ba$tards that have 20+ years of moose points build up can now sell them, and the state will receive their cut as a percentage of the sale price. LOL. Dumb.

How's that for a half-baked, stupid idea on an internet forum that will never go anywhere? Not much different than any of the other whining going on! Glad I burned my points there on one species and dropped out of the game on the other.

I hope you feel the same way if Social Security sends you a "Thank you" note at 67 rather than a check. Sunk Cost, right?

 

[dukeball33]

Discrimination isn’t financial extortion, lawsuit will never be about the allocations, it’ll be about selling a 500 year opportunity which the state fully knows will not happen, like selling ocean front property in WY for 500 years from now.

Only an idiot would sue to try and change the new allocation but there’s a ton of money WY has collected and actively marketed and pursued nonresidents for fully knowing they were changing the rules to make it impossible, a lie of sorts or fraud.

Guess we’ll see if it happens or not in time but now that the gov has signed the change into law it’s ripe to be looked at.

State may win but it might lose big as well.

Your points are still good… by this logic NR buying their first point last year could sue (that person will not draw with points in their lifetime, even under the old allocation).

I would put money that WY lawyers looked at the law and gave the legislation approval for go ahead… but I could be wrong and maybe folks on an outdoor forum with heavy bias know better than accredited lawyers

 

[BuzzH]

I definitely see a case for class action, if it loses ok but let the state defend it’s decisions and see if this falls in their favor, be very interesting to see which big firm wants innon a possible $50 million suit with thousands to jump on board.

Keep me posted on how the lawsuit progresses.

Laffin'.

 

[tdhanses]

Your points are still good… by this logic NR buying their first point last year could sue (that person will not draw with points in their lifetime, even under the old allocation).

I would put money that WY lawyers looked at the law and gave the legislation approval for go ahead… but I could be wrong and maybe folks on an outdoor forum with heavy bias know better than accredited lawyers

Thing is about lawyers, it’s their opinion, plenty lose on each side all the time, states included. I bet it would end up in a settlement and not go to court In the end, say $35 million the state pays back.

 

[tdhanses]

Keep me posted on how the lawsuit progresses.

Laffin'.

Oh I’m not doing it but there are plenty of class action outfits that i’m sure would be interested, be an easy settlement as I doubt it would go to court or does this never happen?

 

[BuzzH]

Oh I’m not doing it but there are plenty of class action outfits that i’m sure would be interested, be an easy settlement as I doubt it would go to court or does this never happen?

Did you just watch Erin Brockovich?

 

[tdhanses]

Did you just watch Erin Brockovich?

Nope