Wyoming Corner Crossing Jury Trial Live Stream

[Legend]

It's surprising to me that the defense has not broached several aspects (unless I've missed it- I've occasionally had to stop listening to focus on other things):

If moving over 18" of private property without touching the property is trespassing, then every person in carbon county who has walked down a sidewalk or a road and extended an inch of their body over the edge of the legal easement is guilty of trespass. If you walk down a sidewalk and point at a bird at someone's feeder, you've likely trespassed.

The chain is not allowed to cross federal property- even the infinitesimally small point of the shared corner.

The most notable instance of airspace being public (that I'm aware of) stream and river access in Wyoming. You can be on the river on private property, occupying the landowners airspace as long as you aren't touching the real property beneath the water.

I like your river analogy.

 

[Whisky]

Crazy, not guilty!

 

[HvyBeams]

The first defense attorney hit a home run in my opinion with the shared common corner argument in closing. Along with hammering with the rich landowner. It was a great closing!

 

[5MilesBack]

Doesn't matter. A lot of the public will be pissed if this crybaby fat cat landowner gets away with this horsecrap...

Gets away with enforcing the law that's already on the books????? Are you listening to yourself?

It's one thing to disagree with the law, but that has nothing to do with the landowner or law enforcement. That's a disagreement that should be taken up with the state legislature......not after the fact with the participants of this case. The case itself should be black and white based on the law and violation of said law. That's different than how much one approves or disapproves of that law.

 

[realunlucky]

Gets away with enforcing the law that's already on the books????? Are you listening to yourself?

It's one thing to disagree with the law, but that has nothing to do with the landowner or law enforcement. That's a disagreement that should be taken up with the state legislature.

What are you taking about? Where is the law that clarified corner crossing? Go ahead I'll wait.

 

[Djacker]

I just got an email saying all 4 are NOT GUILTY.

 

[Laramie]

I imagine some much taller posts will be at that corner next fall...

 

[OXN939]

An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.119#:~:text=An altitude of 500 feet,vessel, vehicle, or structure.

14 CFR § 91.119 - Minimum safe altitudes:​

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.119#:~:text=An altitude of 500 feet,vessel, vehicle, or structure.
Interesting case going on with famous youtuber Trent Palmer regarding this as well.

The FARs are for aircraft. The most closely applicable FAA guidance is for skydiving, AC 105-2D, and only lists restrictions related to jumpers within controlled airspace, namely A, B, C and D. Don't have the lat/long of the alleged incident in front of me to check what kind of airspace it happened in, but it's very unlikely it was within any of those.

 

[dirtytough]

I imagine some much taller posts will be at that corner next fall...

Agreed.

 

[jdinville3]

I just got an email saying all 4 are NOT GUILT

Anyone know if this means traversing a corner with a ladder is acceptable now?

 

[realunlucky]

Agreed.

@Laramie if they try and use posts to "WALL" off the public pieces it'll be similar to Camfield vs. United States and will have a poor outcome for elk mountain.


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[BRTreedogs]

Anyone know if this means traversing a corner with a ladder is acceptable now?

I hope so.
Been waiting on this decision to market my lightweight carbon fiber backpacking ladders.

 

[wapitibob]

Wyoming's airspace law referenced by the judge..

Stipe’s potential airspace jury instruction would be based on a Wyoming law that states “[t]he ownership of the space above the lands and waters of this state is declared to be vested in the several owners of the surface beneath subject to the right of flight.”

 

[HvyBeams]

Anyone know if this means traversing a corner with a ladder is acceptable now?

It only applies to this case. The more interesting case will be the lawsuit that was recently transferred to federal court. Interesting enough, the ranch has asked for the case to be referred back to state court. They don't want a federal judge's opinion.

 

[bdan68]

Anyone know if this means traversing a corner with a ladder is acceptable now?

Well in many cases a ladder wouldn't be needed. Just like how the same hunters crossed other corners without using their ladder. The ladder was only used at the one corner because the landowner used fence posts and a chain in an attempt to block access at that corner.

 

[jdinville3]

I hope so.
Been waiting on this decision to market my lightweight carbon fiber backpacking ladders.

I like the sound of that, but probably not cheap! (as if anything is cheap right now)

 

[BRTreedogs]

I like the sound of that, but probably not cheap! (as if anything is cheap right now)

The pro model won't be cheap.
Helium filled legs, practically carries itself

 

[steelheadmike]

Not guilty.

Kinda wish this case could have been run through the courts. It needs to be figured out once and for all.


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[RyanT26]

Glad I was wrong!

 

[307]

My pole vault skills may come in handy after all!