Would you buy this scope?

[Formidilosus]

Will every scope's diopter and parallax adjustment be tested too??

At this point it's possible that I could be shooting a Rokscope before my ZP5 gets fixed. And that's OK, as long as my diopter and parallax works........along with everything else.

Haha. Yes.

 

[Schmo]

@Formidilosus,
At what drop height is it reasonable to expect a good scope that isn’t bonded to pass? Meaning, I know you do 36” drops. How much higher can you take that for extreme testing before it’s just going to break anything that isn’t bonded?

 

[Dobermann]

Comparison with the Trijicon Tenmile 3-18x44mm.

Both at 40’ish yards.

Tenmile (note: it is not this blurry in real life- the camera just refused to focus correctly)
View attachment 1010996


S2H-
View attachment 1010997




The first thing that jumps out is the large difference in FOV between them. It’s noticeable. Also, while not as much as the photos show- S2H is brighter, crisper, sharper, with better colors.


Of course the difference in reticle is apparent.

Hard to tell with the blur in the Tenmile pic, but looks like both contrast and resolution might be better on the S2H??

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus,
At what drop height is it reasonable to expect a good scope that isn’t bonded to pass? Meaning, I know you do 36” drops. How much higher can you take that for extreme testing before it’s just going to break anything that isn’t bonded?

On soft dirt and grass, 4-5 feet the good scopes won’t break. However, make it hard packed dirt, gravel, or concrete- even 3 feet will break most scopes. Scope #1 did 3 or 4 drops from 5’ish feet on frozen hard ground and did not break.

There is a learning curve to drop evaling scopes for sure- lots of broken bolt handles, rings, and eyepieces.

 

[Formidilosus]

Hard to tell with the blur in the Tenmile pic, but looks like both contrast and resolution might be better on the S2H??

Oh it is. The S2H is better in every metric that I can see. The DOF is also better.

 

[5MilesBack]

Comparison with the Trijicon Tenmile 3-18x44mm.

Both at 40’ish yards.

Tenmile (note: it is not this blurry in real life- the camera just refused to focus correctly)
View attachment 1010996

The ZP5 I got is 10 times that blurry regardless of power or parallax setting when the diopter is set for a perfectly clear reticle.

And..........I'd be in for two 3-18 scopes regardless what the deposit is.

 

[Dobermann]

Oh it is. The S2H is better in every metric that I can see. The DOF is also better.

My man.

So:

• Weight: not quite target, but what was needed in the context, and less than similar mag range scopes that retain zero (LRHS/TS and RS1.2, or perhaps about half an ounce more than the Trij)
• Size: Very nice.
• FOV and DOF: Very good.
• IQ: Sharp, bright, good contrast and resolution.
• Durability: Good so far, including from higher drops than in other evals.
• Price: About two-thirds to half of comparable offerings.
• Reticle: Based on the best one out there. Visible at low power, and has @THLR's actually-usable features available at high power

Tell me true (no-one else is listening) ... are you grinning yet?

 

[Dobermann]

The ZP5 I got is 10 times that blurry regardless of power or parallax setting when the diopter is set for a perfectly clear reticle.

Let's get Blaser to fix that for you ASAP so you can enjoy having both the 'OG' and the 'baby ZP5' (as Form called the S2H scope) in the stable ...

 

[Dobermann]

Rokstock orders might be a pretty good proxy, and might possibly even be on the low side of total current scope interest, as not every one of these scopes will go on a bolt gun, or a Rokstocked gun.

I'll also +1 the idea of doing a non-refundable $100 deposit. I'd be in for at least 2.

I've lost track of how many Rokstoks have been produced now ... but my wild gut guess would be that, if the production numbers were available, S2H could sell double the amount of scopes in the same time.

And that's taking into account that most stocks are kinda crappy (so people had no qualms about swapping them out) - and that it will be harder for some to give up a scope that has cost more, that they're are used to, that will have to find a place in the rest of the armory or the secondhand market.

I just think the demand for this scope will be there - both once some have it in hand and tell others about it, as well as when many of us get the first one and then want to get them for a few other rifles.

 

[43.6N]

baby ZP5' (as Form called the S2H scope)

That should be the official name for the scope.

 

[UP NORTH]

100$ deposits. Ensures the buyer has some skin in the game, helps a young company get an idea of actual upfront demand.

I’ll give a non refundable deposit as well. Scope looks great.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

That should be the official name for the scope.

 

[offthebeatenpath]

I've lost track of how many Rokstoks have been produced now ... but my wild gut guess would be that, if the production numbers were available, S2H could sell double the amount of scopes in the same time.

And that's taking into account that most stocks are kinda crappy (so people had no qualms about swapping them out) - and that it will be harder for some to give up a scope that has cost more, that they're are used to, that will have to find a place in the rest of the armory or the secondhand market.

I just think the demand for this scope will be there - both once some have it in hand and tell others about it, as well as when many of us get the first one and then want to get them for a few other rifles.

Another obvious advantage the scope has over the Rokstok is the stock only fits certain actions.
Not so limited with the scope, thus more potential customers.

 

[9487329]

Another obvious advantage the scope has over the Rokstok is the stock only fits certain actions.
Not so limited with the scope, thus more potential customers.

The larger limiting factor for each is the educational gap. ("unusual" reticle, mils, weight, "don't all scopes hold zero?", etc).
Strong visual assets / vids are the key for a broader market that isn't willing to read through hundreds of forum pages with a willingness to have their minds changed. I hope they sell a metric shit ton of them

 

[5MilesBack]

Let's get Blaser to fix that for you ASAP so you can enjoy having both the 'OG' and the 'baby ZP5' (as Form called the S2H scope) in the stable ...

The "OG"??

 

[Dobermann]

The "OG"??

OG ZP5 ...

 

[Dobermann]

I hope they sell a metric shit ton of them

We see what you did there ... well played.

 

[Dobermann]

That should be the official name for the scope.

Unless @Ryan Avery comes up with a better name, that's what I'm going to call it, just to annoy him.

 

[woods89]

I use that quote often. Usually, I also mention something about taking no longer than it takes as well...

I do think, in this case, the different elements in use are already proven based on other scopes LOW produces. Testing to make sure they work together in this specific implementation should be done, but it takes an infinite amount of time to find an issue that doesn't exist. If the standard drop test is good enough to say a specific model is reliable, it should be good enough for this. Nothing is absolute, but if it meets the standard, multiple times, added to, etc....it should be considered as passed.

Good points. I do think it's also a mistake to unnecessarily drag things out. I just know that for me if it's being positioned as groundbreaking because it's being properly tested, I don't particularly want to hear that we need to get production going to have them for next hunting season. Now I know enough about those working on this that it won't affect my confidence in the product, but not everyone has been on Rokslide for almost 12 years.

I think almost all of us would agree that the reality is that the scope is solid, but in selling products perception is pretty important.

Worth noting that I'm probably a lot better at building and fixing houses than marketing products, though.

 

[RockAndSage]

Comparison with the Trijicon Tenmile 3-18x44mm.

Both at 40’ish yards.

Tenmile (note: it is not this blurry in real life- the camera just refused to focus correctly)
View attachment 1010996


S2H-
View attachment 1010997




The first thing that jumps out is the large difference in FOV between them. It’s noticeable. Also, while not as much as the photos show- S2H is brighter, crisper, sharper, with better colors.


Of course the difference in reticle is apparent.

That is an enormous difference in field of view...everything about this scope just keeps adding up in the column of better real-world usability. What a great thing to bring to market.