Would you buy this scope?

[Dobermann]

Yes, tried 25in# and 30in#. Cross bolts coming lose at torque. Used fix-it sticks and blue loktite. Never knew of paint pen back then.

Had issues with the hybrid lite rings on a 9# 300norma imp, and problems with their direct mount hybrid Tikka ring on a 8# 300wsm.

Not to derail the thread ... but did your Loctite set up? A few of us here have had the experience of the side of the ring where the cross-bolts being open and blue Loctite not curing.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

If it was a new manufacturer or something I could see more testing being needed to feel comfortable. But you have the manufacturer that can and has made various durable scopes when specified to do so and the samples didn't show any out of the gate oversights. So the probability of something going wrong seem greatly reduced, hence I'd be comfortable buying one at this time. Only reason I cautioned about high dollar deposits if the timeline walks out due to the manufacturer/customs/etc. If they were on the shelf right now I wouldn't hesitate to buy one to try out in parrallel now vs waiting for form to try to beat one to death.

 

[rbutcher1234]

It's just money. I'm happy to beta test given what I've seen so far, I'd pay a deposit, but I would prefer nothing shipped until vetted enough to say "yes this scope is as durable as a nightforce" type statements can be made. However, if I have to be in the group that helps establish that statement, I have no issue with it.

 

[5MilesBack]

As for testing scopes, every scope will be tested in a collimator before it ships to the customer.

Will every scope's diopter and parallax adjustment be tested too??

At this point it's possible that I could be shooting a Rokscope before my ZP5 gets fixed. And that's OK, as long as my diopter and parallax works........along with everything else.

 

[Formidilosus]

Will every scope's diopter and parallax adjustment be tested too??

At this point it's possible that I could be shooting a Rokscope before my ZP5 gets fixed. And that's OK, as long as my diopter and parallax works........along with everything else.

Haha. Yes.

 

[Schmo]

@Formidilosus,
At what drop height is it reasonable to expect a good scope that isn’t bonded to pass? Meaning, I know you do 36” drops. How much higher can you take that for extreme testing before it’s just going to break anything that isn’t bonded?

 

[Dobermann]

Comparison with the Trijicon Tenmile 3-18x44mm.

Both at 40’ish yards.

Tenmile (note: it is not this blurry in real life- the camera just refused to focus correctly)
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S2H-
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The first thing that jumps out is the large difference in FOV between them. It’s noticeable. Also, while not as much as the photos show- S2H is brighter, crisper, sharper, with better colors.


Of course the difference in reticle is apparent.

Hard to tell with the blur in the Tenmile pic, but looks like both contrast and resolution might be better on the S2H??

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus,
At what drop height is it reasonable to expect a good scope that isn’t bonded to pass? Meaning, I know you do 36” drops. How much higher can you take that for extreme testing before it’s just going to break anything that isn’t bonded?

On soft dirt and grass, 4-5 feet the good scopes won’t break. However, make it hard packed dirt, gravel, or concrete- even 3 feet will break most scopes. Scope #1 did 3 or 4 drops from 5’ish feet on frozen hard ground and did not break.

There is a learning curve to drop evaling scopes for sure- lots of broken bolt handles, rings, and eyepieces.

 

[Formidilosus]

Hard to tell with the blur in the Tenmile pic, but looks like both contrast and resolution might be better on the S2H??

Oh it is. The S2H is better in every metric that I can see. The DOF is also better.

 

[5MilesBack]

Comparison with the Trijicon Tenmile 3-18x44mm.

Both at 40’ish yards.

Tenmile (note: it is not this blurry in real life- the camera just refused to focus correctly)
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The ZP5 I got is 10 times that blurry regardless of power or parallax setting when the diopter is set for a perfectly clear reticle.

And..........I'd be in for two 3-18 scopes regardless what the deposit is.

 

[Dobermann]

Oh it is. The S2H is better in every metric that I can see. The DOF is also better.

My man.

So:

• Weight: not quite target, but what was needed in the context, and less than similar mag range scopes that retain zero (LRHS/TS and RS1.2, or perhaps about half an ounce more than the Trij)
• Size: Very nice.
• FOV and DOF: Very good.
• IQ: Sharp, bright, good contrast and resolution.
• Durability: Good so far, including from higher drops than in other evals.
• Price: About two-thirds to half of comparable offerings.
• Reticle: Based on the best one out there. Visible at low power, and has @THLR's actually-usable features available at high power

Tell me true (no-one else is listening) ... are you grinning yet?

 

[Dobermann]

The ZP5 I got is 10 times that blurry regardless of power or parallax setting when the diopter is set for a perfectly clear reticle.

Let's get Blaser to fix that for you ASAP so you can enjoy having both the 'OG' and the 'baby ZP5' (as Form called the S2H scope) in the stable ...

 

[Dobermann]

Rokstock orders might be a pretty good proxy, and might possibly even be on the low side of total current scope interest, as not every one of these scopes will go on a bolt gun, or a Rokstocked gun.

I'll also +1 the idea of doing a non-refundable $100 deposit. I'd be in for at least 2.

I've lost track of how many Rokstoks have been produced now ... but my wild gut guess would be that, if the production numbers were available, S2H could sell double the amount of scopes in the same time.

And that's taking into account that most stocks are kinda crappy (so people had no qualms about swapping them out) - and that it will be harder for some to give up a scope that has cost more, that they're are used to, that will have to find a place in the rest of the armory or the secondhand market.

I just think the demand for this scope will be there - both once some have it in hand and tell others about it, as well as when many of us get the first one and then want to get them for a few other rifles.

 

[43.6N]

baby ZP5' (as Form called the S2H scope)

That should be the official name for the scope.

 

[UP NORTH]

100$ deposits. Ensures the buyer has some skin in the game, helps a young company get an idea of actual upfront demand.

I’ll give a non refundable deposit as well. Scope looks great.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

That should be the official name for the scope.

 

[offthebeatenpath]

I've lost track of how many Rokstoks have been produced now ... but my wild gut guess would be that, if the production numbers were available, S2H could sell double the amount of scopes in the same time.

And that's taking into account that most stocks are kinda crappy (so people had no qualms about swapping them out) - and that it will be harder for some to give up a scope that has cost more, that they're are used to, that will have to find a place in the rest of the armory or the secondhand market.

I just think the demand for this scope will be there - both once some have it in hand and tell others about it, as well as when many of us get the first one and then want to get them for a few other rifles.

Another obvious advantage the scope has over the Rokstok is the stock only fits certain actions.
Not so limited with the scope, thus more potential customers.

 

[9487329]

Another obvious advantage the scope has over the Rokstok is the stock only fits certain actions.
Not so limited with the scope, thus more potential customers.

The larger limiting factor for each is the educational gap. ("unusual" reticle, mils, weight, "don't all scopes hold zero?", etc).
Strong visual assets / vids are the key for a broader market that isn't willing to read through hundreds of forum pages with a willingness to have their minds changed. I hope they sell a metric shit ton of them

 

[5MilesBack]

Let's get Blaser to fix that for you ASAP so you can enjoy having both the 'OG' and the 'baby ZP5' (as Form called the S2H scope) in the stable ...

The "OG"??

 

[Dobermann]

The "OG"??

OG ZP5 ...