Why is the .270 dying?

[bnewt3]

Counterpoint, Backfire did a YT survey recently (so take it how you want) of "favorite hunting cartridge" and according to BF viewers, 270 was the most popular with 20% of respondents saying its their favorite.

Its been getting it done for 100 years and with modern bullets and powder, its doing more and better than ever.

It will probably "die" commercially someday, but not in my lifetime. Probably not in my son's lifetime.

 

[kevingm1987]

Counterpoint, Backfire did a YT survey recently (so take it how you want) of "favorite hunting cartridge" and according to BF viewers, 270 was the most popular with 20% of respondents saying its their favorite.

Its been getting it done for 100 years and with modern bullets and powder, its doing more and better than ever.

It will probably "die" commercially someday, but not in my lifetime. Probably not in my son's lifetime.

The .270 can't shoot any of the "modern" bullets unless its a custom. The ammo for a .270 hasn't changed. Basically all offerings are the 130-150gn class for a rifle with a 1 in 10 twist. Bullets have improved over time, but when we speak of modern bullets, generally it means high BC, heavy for caliber.

 

[Cdnance]

Yet it still works exceptionally well on game of all sizes.
You don’t need to have the newest shiniest rifle or bullet to kill animals.

 

[xsn10s]

Yet it still works exceptionally well on game of all sizes.
You don’t need to have the newest shiniest rifle or bullet to kill animals.

Yup and if needed/ wanted it's easy enough to swap to a fast twist barrel on most rifles.

 

[bnewt3]

The .270 can't shoot any of the "modern" bullets unless its a custom. The ammo for a .270 hasn't changed. Basically all offerings are the 130-150gn class for a rifle with a 1 in 10 twist. Bullets have improved over time, but when we speak of modern bullets, generally it means high BC, heavy for caliber.

The modern, long, high BC bullets that have shot up in popularity have bled over and improved the performance of more traditional cartridges such as with the ELDX. Still viable for slower twist and shorter throat barrels but increased BC.

 

[BigNate]

The answer is MARKETING!
There are many cartridges from the past that will perform on par with "new" ones. Case capacity is case capacity.

What's new is the drive toward long range precision that was such a niche market before. Everyone has a laser rangefinder, and a twisty knob scope, believing their purchases have equipped them to be a long range sniper guy.
The market is for the sale of new stuff. That is where profits are. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with equipment that still works.
Look at the popularity and cost a a Bridgeport.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Yup and if needed/ wanted it's easy enough to swap to a fast twist barrel on most rifles.

And still shoot all the 130- to 150-grain factory loads without issues.

 

[xsn10s]

And still shoot all the 130- to 150-grain factory loads without issues.

I don't see why not, but that is always barrel/ bullet dependent. As with any barrel since all barrels can favor one bullet over another.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

The .270 can't shoot any of the "modern" bullets unless its a custom. The ammo for a .270 hasn't changed. Basically all offerings are the 130-150gn class for a rifle with a 1 in 10 twist. Bullets have improved over time, but when we speak of modern bullets, generally it means high BC, heavy for caliber.

Which of these rifles is shooting “modern” bullets? And which one is obsolete? Each example is using actual MV and Litz values for a 140-grain bullet.

1.

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3.

PS - it doesn’t matter because most people should not be shooting at big game far enough away for it to matter.

 

[xsn10s]

And still shoot all the 130- to 150-grain factory loads without issues.

For instance I've shot 40gr-53gr bullets through my 1-7 AR's with no issues and acceptable accuracy for AR's. John Barsness has shot the Berger 170gr through his 1-10 twist 270 win with no issues. No guarantees that it will in other 1-10 twists but he wrote about it in one of his articles.

 

[bnewt3]

Which of these rifles is shooting “modern” bullets? And which one is obsolete? Each example is using actual MV and Litz values for a 140-grain bullet.

1.

2.

3.

PS - it doesn’t matter because most people should not be shooting at big game far enough away for it to matter.

Somehow I dont think the elk will care which one of those tore through its heart.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

For instance I've shot 40gr-53gr bullets through my 1-7 AR's with no issues and accpetable accuracy for AR's. John Barsness has shot the Berger 170gr through his 1-10 twist 270 win with no issues. No guarantees that it will in other 1-10 twists but he wrote about it in one of his articles.

Sure… the real point is that going to a faster twist rarely comes with disadvantages. I rebarreled my shot-out .25-06 to 1:8” twist. It shoots the 120-grain bullets just as well as the old barrel, but it also stabilizes the new 134- and 138-grain bullets. And that fact may make my .270 redundant.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Somehow I dont think the elk will care which one of those tore through its heart.

Nope. Nor will he care what pants the sonofabitch who shot him was wearing.

 

[allstajacket]

Nope. Nor will he care what pants the sonofabitch who shot him was wearing.

Not true. He will be more dead if Sitka.


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[xsn10s]

Sure… the real point is that going to a faster twist rarely comes with disadvantages. I rebarreled my shot-out .25-06 to 1:8” twist. It shoots the 120-grain bullets just as well as the old barrel, but it also stabilizes the new 134- and 138-grain bullets. And that fact may make my .270 redundant.

I don't think a fast twist 270 would be redundant to your fast twist 25-06. There maybe some overlap but imo it would be two tools with priorities in two different jobs.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Not true. He will be more dead if Sitka.


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[Macintosh]

Me: rubs bottle
(Genie pops out)
Genie: I WILL GRANT YOU THREE WISHES! WEALTH FAME AND GLORY CAN BE YOURS. WHAT IS YOUR FIRST WISH??
Me: lock all repeatedly circular old rokslide threads as soon as they go below the scroll so they cannot be resuscitated, ever.

 

[bnewt3]

Me: rubs bottle
(Genie pops out)
Genie: I WILL GRANT YOU THREE WISHES! WEALTH FAME AND GLORY CAN BE YOURS. WHAT IS YOUR FIRST WISH??
Me: lock all repeatedly circular old rokslide threads as soon as they go below the scroll so they cannot be resuscitated, ever.

but then what will we do with all our free time?

 

[allstajacket]

Me: rubs bottle
(Genie pops out)
Genie: I WILL GRANT YOU THREE WISHES! WEALTH FAME AND GLORY CAN BE YOURS. WHAT IS YOUR FIRST WISH??
Me: lock all repeatedly circular old rokslide threads as soon as they go below the scroll so they cannot be resuscitated, ever.

I like applying forum logic to real life.

I can’t wait to get to deer camp and tell everyone I won’t talk to them about any of the topics we’ve spoken about before!


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[Q_Sertorius]

Me: rubs bottle
(Genie pops out)
Genie: I WILL GRANT YOU THREE WISHES! WEALTH FAME AND GLORY CAN BE YOURS. WHAT IS YOUR FIRST WISH??
Me: lock all repeatedly circular old rokslide threads as soon as they go below the scroll so they cannot be resuscitated, ever.

Would you rather have a new thread about this topic?