Who else has caught the Rona?

[dtrkyman]

"The real benefit of the vaccine, in real-time, is preventing moderate-to-severe disease and an extremely low-risk of death if vaccinated."

Not arguing that, however the survival rate is 98, pretty low risk! Percent for my age group as whole, not taking into account comorbidities or general health I assume? So what is my survival rate with the vac.? One more percent?

 

[Billy Goat]

Because it’s Covid and that’s kind of a big deal right now? Because I want to know what others experienced when they had it? So I can compare and share my experience with you guys? @Billy Goat has a point though, I do have nine days left in the hotel room

I really thought this thread was going to have the lifespan of a fruitfly.

I'm impressed.


I haven't seen tiger king's yet. Maybe that's something to get caught up on. Other than that, I don't know. 10 days in a motel I likely wouldn't survive.

 

[Usmcff]

Full time firefighter here. I got it mid 2020 but tested negative on 3 separate tests. I had a fever of 102-103 for two days, body aches, cold chills, hot flashes of sweating, headache, everything except loss of smell/taste. Went back to work about 5 days later and was fine after that. Fast forward to mid December, my department started dropping like flies, everyone tested positive. Every other shift I was quarantined for someone testing positive, about the 4th quarantine I test positive but had no signs and symptoms. Felt absolutely normal. After a week I was allowed to go back to work because I was still symptom free, went and got my antibody test and sure enough had covid antibodies. From my experience, it’s not as bad as they say, did it suck yes, if you are generally healthy then you’ll be just fine. However most Americans suck at watching their health, eating right, and maintaining a half weight decent physical fitness level.

 

[Sadler]

@Sadler, I hope everything turns out well for you. I'm sure that hotel room will get to feeling pretty small after awhile.

I had Covid back in early January. I caught it from a customer whose house I was working in and got tested as soon as I started having symptoms. I'm 32 and in good physical condition and I had 4-5 days of aches and fatigue. I also lost my taste and smell to a certain extent. My smell is still not the same, but taste is back. I had both Moderna vaccine shots back in April and May and had about 36 hours of similar symptoms after each, which I was expecting with having Covid earlier.

My observations are anecdotal but it seems some families get hit much harder than others. We had a local family that I do business with here that had multiple people in the hospital at one time and unfortunately one of them passed away. It seems like certain genetics get off easy and some get hit pretty hard.

I started to lose my sense of smell and taste a few hours ago. They’re not gone yet but we’ll on their way.

As far as affecting families different, its crazy how big of a swing it is. My 91 year old grandma got it and was fine, my sister and her three kids and husband got it and were fine but then I just found out a coworker of mine has it and is in the hospital with high flow O2 right now to help keep him off a ventilator. And he’s in pretty good shape. CrossFit and all. I think you’re right and genetics have a lot to do with it.

 

[Mule3006Elk]

"The real benefit of the vaccine, in real-time, is preventing moderate-to-severe disease and an extremely low-risk of death if vaccinated."

Not arguing that, however the survival rate is 98, pretty low risk! Percent for my age group as whole, not taking into account comorbidities or general health I assume? So what is my survival rate with the vac.? One more percent?

Again, I'm not making an argument for or against the vaccine. I was only providing facts in a setting where 'opinions' gets thrown around as facts.

IMO it's a personal decision to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated.

Point is, in real-time, this is the benefit of the vaccine. FWIW.

Agreed from your stated PHM and presumed low-risk as well as low-risk age group probably not a lot of benefit.

 

[gelton]

Article in JAMA on Ivermectin use for COVID. I hate to spill the beans on how it ends, but:

“Findings In this randomized clinical trial that included 476 patients, the duration of symptoms was not significantly different for patients who received a 5-day course of ivermectin compared with placebo (median time to resolution of symptoms, 10 vs 12 days; hazard ratio for resolution of symptoms, 1.07).”

Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19

This randomized trial compares the effects of ivermectin vs placebo on time to symptom resolution within 21 days among patients with mild COVID-19.

jamanetwork.com

And here is one from another think tank that shows just the opposite and this was also a published study:

Data Supports Use of Anti-Parasitic Drug Ivermectin in COVID-19 Patients, Study Shows

Use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin could reduce COVID-19 related deaths, data from a peer-reviewed study shows.

www.biospace.com

 

[Rob5589]

"The real benefit of the vaccine, in real-time, is preventing moderate-to-severe disease and an extremely low-risk of death if vaccinated."

Not arguing that, however the survival rate is 98, pretty low risk! Percent for my age group as whole, not taking into account comorbidities or general health I assume? So what is my survival rate with the vac.? One more percent?

Everyone should be able to decide for themselves if they are willing to be that 1.8% or not. If you are in the high risk category, the vax is probably a good idea. If not, weigh the risk vs benefit and choose accordingly.

Also know, surviving isn't the ultimate metric. Many survive but have long lasting, and likely lifetime, effects from covid. Mostly in the lungs and not just those with comorbidities.

 

[MattB]

I think I already have a pretty good idea, but where did this nonsensical idea that Ivermectin provides any benefit come from?

In Vitro (in a Petri dish) ivermectin has been shown to have anti-viral properties, but based on what I read they are unable to dose to that level In Vivo (in the human body). This may be a bad analogy, but as per Trump it strikes me somewhat like chlorine bleach. It will kill stuff in a test tube and you can tolerate some level of it (e.g. drinking water), but you can’t safely take it to get to a level to kill stuff within your system.

I’ve read reports they are using it in places like Columbia prophylactically until they can get the vaccine.

 

[dtrkyman]

Again, I'm not making an argument for or against the vaccine. I was only providing facts in a setting where 'opinions' gets thrown around as facts.

IMO it's a personal decision to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated.

Point is, in real-time, this is the benefit of the vaccine. FWIW.

Agreed from your stated PHM and presumed low-risk as well as low-risk age group probably not a lot of benefit.

Agreed, not arguing just not seeing much benefit. Add another twist, person gets vax. figures they are good to go and do not get sick, have covid have no idea and spread it all over.

Masks seem basically useless, the fashion statement versions anyway, the n95 looks to be effective.

 

[Mule3006Elk]

I will say in the U.S we are not great on BMI stats.

Most patients that I've seen, who are otherwise low-risk regarding age, with SARS-COV-2 complications have BMI >30.

 

[Vandy321]

It's been 18 months, sorry to break it to everyone, but none of this is news anymore. Let it go maybe...Or we can keep feeding the media narrative and fuel more mandates and lockdowns, because why not, they worked the first time, right?

 

[gelton]

Ivermectin is a microcosm of what we are witnessing today.

People have been paying 2-3,000% markups on heartworm preventative labeled as Heartguard or the equivalent when you can buy the only active ingredient (ivermectin) from most any feed store or online suppliers for pennies on the dollar.

But people today only trust what is fed to them.

I have about 200cc's of ivermectin on the shelf right now and it has nothing to do with Covid.

 

[Billy Goat]

Ivermectin is a microcosm of what we are witnessing today.

People have been paying 2-3,000% markups on heartworm preventative labeled as Heartguard or the equivalent when you can buy the only active ingredient (ivermectin) from most any feed store or online suppliers for pennies on the dollar.

But people today only trust what is fed to them.

I have about 200cc's of ivermectin on the shelf right now and it has nothing to do with Covid.

That's rookie numbers right there.


I'm trying to think of when I ever purchased it in 200 cc.

Of course, it list it's effectiveness as a wormer 20 years ago, so don't really use it much anymore.

 

[Mule3006Elk]

Agreed, not arguing just not seeing much benefit. Add another twist, person gets vax. figures they are good to go and do not get sick, have covid have no idea and spread it all over.

Absolutely true. Asymptomatic carriers definitely contribute to spread. I have read various stats but some estimate up to 30% are asymptomatic. This virus has a high Ro (R-naught) factor which is a measure of how many people on average one person spreads the infection to. I agree your concerns are valid.

Masks seem basically useless, the fashion statement versions anyway, the n95 looks to be effective.

There is some truth there. However, what's not talked about is sustained exposure. I can walk down an isle at the grocery store and pass by several people with COVID-19. I'm NOT going to get COVID-19 from a transient exposure even if I'm not wearing a mask. Assuming they didn't cough or sneeze in my face. Now, if I'm in closed setting (office, restaurant, etc), breathing the same air for a period of times (> 15-30 minutes), there is an inherent risk there. Basic mask in the grocery store is just fine IMO and probably provides some protection against flu. If I were in closed setting and really trying to avoid COVID-19 I'm going to use a N95 (ideally FIT tested).

I'm not a mask pusher FWIW just providing facts.

 

[gelton]

That's rookie numbers right there.


I'm trying to think of when I ever purchased it in 200 cc.

Of course, it list it's effectiveness as a wormer 20 years ago, so don't really use it much anymore.

Yeah just a dog that has since passed, no real livestock....yet anyway.

 

[Billy Goat]

Yeah just a dog that has since passed, no real livestock....yet anyway.

Far as I have known, dogs are the only market left for ivermectin.


Maybe someone is reinventing it.

 

[Mule3006Elk]

It's been 18 months, sorry to break it to everyone, but none of this is news anymore. Let it go maybe...Or we can keep feeding the media narrative and fuel more mandates and lockdowns, because why not, they worked the first time, right?

I have no problem answering questions even though it's been 18 months. If more of us in healthcare spoke up there would be less bad information circulating. IME bad information is fueling a lot of the hysteria.

You are correct. I never click mainstream media COVID-19 articles (if you call them that) because I don't want to contribute to their view count. If we don't view the material they will have to shift their focus elsewhere. Wouldn't that be nice!

 

[ozyclint]

 

[CoStick]

"The real benefit of the vaccine, in real-time, is preventing moderate-to-severe disease and an extremely low-risk of death if vaccinated."

Not arguing that, however the survival rate is 98, pretty low risk! Percent for my age group as whole, not taking into account comorbidities or general health I assume? So what is my survival rate with the vac.? One more percent?

Overall it is 98, but break it down by age group and it takes on a different impact. the numbers are actually staggering for the older population.

 

[DenverCountryBoy]

Just a "science" article about ivermectin and covid from the tin foil hat wearers at the...

(checks notes)

... NIH.

RETRACTED ARTICLE: The mechanisms of action of Ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2: An evidence-based clinical review article - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov