What caused the Rokslide shift to smallest caliber and cartridges?

[JGRaider]

Speaking of whining......

 

[ElPollo]

Speaking of whining......

 

[JGRaider]

If your going to bother posting pics, at least make it interesting and not something a 10 yr old would do......

 

[JGRaider]

 

[ElPollo]

If your going to bother posting pics, at least make it interesting and not something a 10 yr old would do......

 

[Reburn]

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JGRaider = Joe Exotic.
It all makes so much sense now.

 

[eric1115]

I've seen less whining and crying at a my daughter's 6th grade slumber party years ago. If you get offended on an internet hunting/shooting forum then it's a "you" problem.

I really mean no offense, but you're not real perceptive if you honestly believe that.

Edit: you really are very good at what you do. I click "show ignored content" one time, and I can't not rise to the bait. Truly a master.

 

[fngTony]

Let’s stick with the subject please

 

[Billy Goat]

Let’s stick with the subject please

Sorry, my fault.


When they come out from under the bridge, I just can't help but play with them.

 

[eric1115]

Sorry, my fault.


When they come out from under the bridge, I just can't help but play with them.

Mine too.

To try to get this back on track, I have no idea if it's been mentioned at this point, but suppressors were a significant factor in my shift personally.

Not that it was objectively true, but my braked 7mmRM shot really mild, so I didn't feel like I was really losing anything by shooting a bigger cartridge.

Once the suppressor bug but me, it became obvious that the magnum was too much to reliably spot shots under all conditions from all shooting positions. Spotting impacts has become non-negotiable for me, and brakes have become a no-go so smaller cartridges were kind of the only path. I've seen no downsides, only benefits.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

I've seen less whining and crying at a my daughter's 6th grade slumber party years ago. If you get offended on an internet hunting/shooting forum then it's a "you" problem.

easy there big boy, I dont think anyone is actually offended by your petty word games. Most of us left the playground a while ago buddy. maybe... just maybe, the adults in the room want to have a big boy conversation and not deal with the annoying child that keeps pulling on daddy's shirt whining for attention. or is it that you're so miserable that you have to run your suck on the internet to get your jollies off?

 

[Pharmseller]

What's equally interesting is how gullible some people can be.

 

[Thegman]

Guess again.

Infinity!!

Thanks for bringing back memories from when I was 6 years old, I enjoyed reminiscing.

 

[roadrunner]

Without reading every single post (because I lost interest early on when the triggered ego cat fights started) the shift occurred by what they call "influencers".

Some [of us] used smaller calibers for years before it became a "thing", back when people would tell you that a .257 cal was awfully small for elk. Perfect for pronghorn, but way to light for elk.

Some of the most devastating wounds I've seen on animals of elk size were done by a .243 (see the thread podcast on hunting oryx with Gilbert on caliber selection - some Renaissance thinkers will disagree). It was used because it fit the hunter, either a youth or a small frame lady hunter, and shot within a distance for optimal performance (not a 400 yd shot).

The only thing that makes smaller calibers relevant is bullet selection. Not just any bullet will work. It's specific, and without it, the small calibers, well...

 

[Castle Rock]

The only thing that makes smaller calibers relevant is bullet selection. Not just any bullet will work. It's specific, and without it, the small calibers, well...

That isn’t true at all, people who used the factory 55 grain soft points have probably killed way more game than TMKs have

 

[roadrunner]

That isn’t true at all, people who used the factory 55 grain soft points have probably killed way more game than TMKs have

Broad statement.

The word "probably" means you're guessing and you just want to disagree is all...

 

[The Guide]

Broad statement.

The word "probably" means you're guessing and you just want to disagree is all...

The soft point 55 grain .224 bullets have been available for 40 years longer than the TMK line. I would say he is "probably" correct.

Jay

 

[roadrunner]

The soft point 55 grain .224 bullets have been available for 40 years longer than the TMK line. I would say he is "probably" correct.

Jay

There's 2 that got their feeler's hurt.

If the 55 gr SP's are adequate, why are the shooting messiah's praising the 77 gr TMK's so much?

Don't pretend that what was done "40 years" ago on whitetail back east is the same thing that was done on large western big game at the same time. 55 gr 22 caliber soft point's used on Elk? Bighorn Sheep? Mountain Goats? For reference, that would be 1984.

40 years ago, writers like Jim Zumbo owned the market on big game caliber selection, and we all know what their preferences were. "Fuddlore" I think is the popular term used?

It's funny, really, that when I said bullet design matters, the TMK was the first thing thrown out. I never said anything about it...

 

[The Guide]

There's 2 that got their feeler's hurt.

If the 55 gr SP's are adequate, why are the shooting messiah's praising the 77 gr TMK's so much?

Don't pretend that what was done "40 years" ago on whitetail back east is the same thing that was done on large western big game at the same time. 55 gr 22 caliber soft point's used on Elk? Bighorn Sheep? Mountain Goats? For reference, that would be 1984.

40 years ago, writers like Jim Zumbo owned the market on big game caliber selection, and we all know what their preferences were. "Fuddlore" I think is the popular term used?

It's funny, really, that when I said bullet design matters, the TMK was the first thing thrown out. I never said anything about it...

Hurt feelings... I don't have feelings.

In 1984 you don't think there were people killing antelope, deer, and elk and all other western game with the same gun that was in the truck for coyotes? Back then there were 3 kinds of bullets. A FMJ was just for paper, a hollow point was for prairie dogs, and the soft point was for everything else. Every rancher I know kept a 22-250 in every farm truck until the madness of covid killed their ability to buy a box of shells when they went to town for fuel or feed. I knew several kids in high school who's only gun was a 22-250 and they killed everything with it. The 55 grain soft point 0.224 caliber bullet has been killing everything from Alaska to Florida since before 1950. I know this makes you irrational, but it is irregardlessly true. The 55g 0.224" soft point has killed more game than the TMK has since it was designed. Is the 55g sp a better bullet on game than the TMK? That is an entirely different discussion over the fact that the 55g sp has killed more game than the TMK.

Jay

 

[ElPollo]

Hurt feelings... I don't have feelings.

In 1984 you don't think there were people killing antelope, deer, and elk and all other western game with the same gun that was in the truck for coyotes? Back then there were 3 kinds of bullets. A FMJ was just for paper, a hollow point was for prairie dogs, and the soft point was for everything else. Every rancher I know kept a 22-250 in every farm truck until the madness of covid killed their ability to buy a box of shells when they went to town for fuel or feed. I knew several kids in high school who's only gun was a 22-250 and they killed everything with it. The 55 grain soft point 0.224 caliber bullet has been killing everything from Alaska to Florida since before 1950. I know this makes you irrational, but it is irregardlessly true. The 55g 0.224" soft point has killed more game than the TMK has since it was designed. Is the 55g sp a better bullet on game than the TMK? That is an entirely different discussion over the fact that the 55g sp has killed more game than the TMK.

Jay

In the late 90’s, I was living in Flagstaff and had an awesome neighbor who hunted elk with a 22-250 and 55 gr SP bullets. He had open heart surgery several years before and his Dr told him no more big kickers. Not sure if it was legal for everyone at that point or just those with a medical condition. But his 22-250 killed elk like a hammer. Miss that guy. He’s been gone about 12 years.