What caused the Rokslide shift to smallest caliber and cartridges?

[Mike D Texas]

Can't a Nosler Partition be fired from an easier shooting setup?
I have experience with 130 and 150 grain in 270 (just out to 260 yards on mountain goat and deer), and they were great. But I don't know why the 140 grain wouldn't be great in the 6.5 Creedmoor, or the 100 grain in 6mm, etc at conventional hunting ranges.

Yes they make them all the way down to the coveted .22 caliber so loved here.


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[KenLee]

Yes they make them all the way down to the coveted .22 caliber so loved here.


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60 gr Partition from a 22-250 is a wicked lil pill. I'm hoping to run across a few more boxes.

 

[JGRaider]

Nobody is saying that Nosler Partitions don't work. We're saying they're not the only thing that works. You are tilting at windmills here.

I never said anything remotely close to partitions are the only thing that works. 140's in the 7-08 and 125's in the CM are superb however.

 

[JGRaider]

Just a heads-up, lots of us have tried to reason with JGRaider and failed to do so.

Your arguments are a little too weak maybe?

 

[MT_Wyatt]

Your arguments are a little too weak maybe?

Please, just stop. This isn’t a thread you’re welcome to cloud with vitriol. If you have to tell someone that you don’t care, and then spend 3 pages just slinging “opinion” I think you’ve demonstrated quite the opposite. It is not an issue agree or disagree with a certain group, or countering group think, it’s the consistent and constant choice to not be respectful and articulate your points in any other approach besides what you’re doing here. I can’t really tell what you’re arguing for here, honestly, or how it relates to the original topic. I’m not saying you have to agree is disagree with @Formidilosus but following him around the internet to try and get a jab in is getting quite old.

 

[JGRaider]

Please, just stop. This isn’t a thread you’re welcome to cloud with vitriol. If you have to tell someone that you don’t care, and then spend 3 pages just slinging “opinion” I think you’ve demonstrated quite the opposite. It is not an issue agree or disagree with a certain group, or countering group think, it’s the consistent and constant choice to not be respectful and articulate your points in any other approach besides what you’re doing here. I can’t really tell what you’re arguing for here, honestly, or how it relates to the original topic. I’m not saying you have to agree is disagree with @Formidilosus but following him around the internet to try and get a jab in is getting quite old.

I was kidding. You people take this stuff way to seriously. I don't need to follow Form or anyone else around, anywhere.

 

[eric1115]

I was kidding. You people take this stuff way to seriously. I don't need to follow Form or anyone else around, anywhere.

I think part of where we're all coming from is that the in-kind kidding-but-not-really response would be, "well maybe you're just not smart enough to understand the arguments" and this place devolves into a 24HCF style cesspool.

Rokslide has a different style/feel/vibe or whatever the cool kids call it these days vs most of the other forums, and I like that. I'll stop engaging, and start ignoring. It's one of the hardest things for me to do. My hope in the past was that the right argument might get a good-faith response from you, but I've never seen you engage a topic honestly trying to find common ground or find the truth of the matter.

I had been under the impression that you believe your position so strongly that you are willing to engage in mildly bad-faith debate tactics to convince others of it, but I think I finally see that you don't actually care whether you're right or not, but are just having fun throwing out bad arguments to get a rise out of people. It sticks out like a sore thumb, because most people on here don't do that (with a few notable exceptions).

Adios JGRaider.

Ps, this is genuinely meant to try to help. I'm terrible at self-diagnosing when I'm being an asshole, and have had some times of significant personal growth when someone has been direct and specific about it with me. I don't expect a stranger on the Internet is likely to help bridge the difference between how you see yourself and how others perceive your actions, but it's worth a try.

 

[AkRyan]

Where is this arbitrary number coming from? I’ve seen elk double-lunged with a 300win make it very far distances.

They are bears, they have thick fur and layers of fat that tend to stop blood very fast and we are talking about shooting them with a small bullet. Not sure how many bears your gone into the brush to find but doing so and not knowing if the bear is dead isn't very fun.

 

[AkRyan]

Well, your previous cut-off for success was a sub 200 yard run. Now you've apparently halved that.

No worries though. The black bear bolted maybe 40 yards and started tumbling down the mountain. The grizzly ran about 80 yards...ran -exactly as far- and died in -exactly- the same spot as a grizzly shot the previous year...with a 338WM, broadside through the lungs.

I've shot a boatload of bears with 308 and 30-06. So far, I've seen zero difference in runs or time to death using the 77TMK.

Great info!

 

[RussDXT]

Pic is a joke, I agree with going small in caliber.

 

[JGRaider]

I think part of where we're all coming from is that the in-kind kidding-but-not-really response would be, "well maybe you're just not smart enough to understand the arguments" and this place devolves into a 24HCF style cesspool.

Rokslide has a different style/feel/vibe or whatever the cool kids call it these days vs most of the other forums, and I like that. I'll stop engaging, and start ignoring. It's one of the hardest things for me to do. My hope in the past was that the right argument might get a good-faith response from you, but I've never seen you engage a topic honestly trying to find common ground or find the truth of the matter.

I had been under the impression that you believe your position so strongly that you are willing to engage in mildly bad-faith debate tactics to convince others of it, but I think I finally see that you don't actually care whether you're right or not, but are just having fun throwing out bad arguments to get a rise out of people. It sticks out like a sore thumb, because most people on here don't do that (with a few notable exceptions).

Adios JGRaider.

Ps, this is genuinely meant to try to help. I'm terrible at self-diagnosing when I'm being an asshole, and have had some times of significant personal growth when someone has been direct and specific about it with me. I don't expect a stranger on the Internet is likely to help bridge the difference between how you see yourself and how others perceive your actions, but it's worth a try.

I really mean no offense, but you're not real perceptive if you honestly believe that.

 

[atmat]

They are bears, they have thick fur and layers of fat that tend to stop blood very fast and we are talking about shooting them with a small bullet. Not sure how many bears your gone into the brush to find but doing so and not knowing if the bear is dead isn't very fun.

And so you’ve arbitrarily chosen 100 yards as your cutoff? They can’t run into brush within 100 yards?

My point is this: without a CNS hit, there is no guarantee anything dies within 100 yards regardless of centerfire cartridge.

 

[atmat]

^^ JGRaider to all of Rokslide

 

[ElPollo]

I really mean no offense, but you're not real perceptive if you honestly believe that.

 

[ORJoe]

I have explained this before to you, I will try again in the chance that you are not trolling as normal.

The tips deform over time in flight (distance) due to friction. The deformation causes a reduction in BC versus what it should be. That is, the BC variation is much higher from near to far than it should be. The AMAX’s were developed before legitimate BC testing was done, and only when it was shot over Doppler radar was it seen why.
It doesn’t mean that AMAX’s suck, or were/are bad- just that they have higher drag at longer ranges than the exact same bullet with a different tip material. So do other bullets from other makers. Most that use Doppler radar know about it.

It was an inline improvement with an explanation of why- not some ridiculous conspiracy that you say it is.

Friction between the air and the tip or the barrel and the jacket? Or do they know?

 

[NSI]

Friction between the air and the tip or the barrel and the jacket? Or do they know?

Air and tip. Showed up later in flight as Mach number in reality decreased faster than calculated.

-J

 

[Grundy53]

Friction between the air and the tip or the barrel and the jacket? Or do they know?

Air and the tip

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[Bugger]

Turns out it’s too hot in West Texas to be outside yelling at clouds.

 

[eric1115]

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WKR: That truck is red.
JG: nope, not even close.
WKR: why do you think that?
JG: Red is just a name for a certain wavelength of light.
WKR: but why do you think that truck isn't red?
JG: is an SUV even a truck?
WKR: ok, that SUV is red.
JG: How much yellow can there be before it's not red anymore?
WKR: pretty sure that's more red than orange.
JG: I never said it was orange.
WKR: ok so why don't you think it's red?
JG: you wouldn't know a red truck if it ran through your yard and crashed into your living room.
WKR: never mind.
JG: another flawless victory.

 

[Antares]

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